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language-pack-kde-fr-base package

KDE translations: French words same as English are overriden by another language

Bug #380011 reported by K van Murfi
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langpack-o-matic
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Martin Pitt
language-pack-kde-fr-base (Ubuntu)
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Martin Pitt
Ubuntu ubuntu-9.10

Bug Description

Binary package hint: language-pack-kde-fr-base

* Config : Kubuntu 9.04

* Symptoms :
- Everything is fine when the languages are set to FR / EN : all is correcty translated into French.
- When setting the languages as FR / DE / EN in KDE (French first), a few German words appear where French was correct before!
- At second sight, only French words identical to English words are set to German!!

I'll take kmail as an example although the problem is in many places :
&Message (same word in French as in English) becomes &Nachricht
&Urgent becomes &Dringend
&Options becomes &Optionen

* Some clues

The translation is in kmail.mo, which is found in package language-pack-kde-fr-base (version 1:9.04+20090413.1
). This .mo does NOT contain the French translations of theses words (so it is logical that German appears)!

The source kmail.po exists in the SOURCE packages of
- language-pack-kde-fr-base (seems to come from Launchpad, and does NOT contain the problematic words)
- kde-l10n-fr (seems to come from upstream, and contains the words identical in French and English).

I'll add:
- Same problem found with French/Chinese/English setup
- I can't test anymore, but I'd bet the problem was there in KDE 3.5 in ubuntu 8.04 (random German words here and there)
- So this does not seem to be a problem of coherence between Launchpad and upstream, but more internally of Ubuntu.
- Problem is confirmed by the kde-fr translation team, but the problem does not lie in KDE itself...

Thanx!

Tags: i18n kubuntu

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lp:langpack-o-matic
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K van Murfi (christophe-courtois) wrote :
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Bruno (bruno666-666) wrote :

I've checked Kmail translations in Launchpad and in language-pack-kde-fr source package.

Upstream template from Stable branch (kde 4.2.2) : 2703 strings, translation complete

Launchpad translations : kmail template has 2702 strings, it seems to be identical to upstream (minus one string ?)

language-pack-kde-fr-base : only 2476 strings ! &Message, &Urgent and many other strings are not in this template !

Obviously there's a problem in the language pack build process...

Changed in language-pack-kde-fr-base (Ubuntu):
assignee: nobody → Ubuntu language pack builders (ubuntu-langpack)
status: New → Confirmed
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Martin Pitt (pitti) wrote :

This is due to the stripping of identical C == <locale> strings. Apparently we need to restrict this to English.

Changed in langpack-o-matic:
assignee: nobody → Martin Pitt (pitti)
importance: Undecided → Medium
status: New → In Progress
Changed in language-pack-kde-fr-base (Ubuntu):
status: Confirmed → Triaged
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Bruno (bruno666-666) wrote :

Thanks a lot Martin, hope this will be fixed for Karmic.

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K van Murfi (christophe-courtois) wrote :

A question to Martin: what is the point of stripping identical strings?

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Martin Pitt (pitti) wrote : Re: [Bug 380011] Re: KDE translations: French words same as English are overriden by another language

K van Murfi [2009-05-31 17:58 -0000]:
> A question to Martin: what is the point of stripping identical strings?

A lot of people seemed to want to earn cheap Karma by translating all
the upstream English strings ("C") into "en_US" (which is identical).
This causes language-pack-*-en to be very large without providing any
real value. CD space is precious, so we strip out the identical
strings to shrink them dramatically.

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K van Murfi (christophe-courtois) wrote : Re: [Bug 380011] Re: KDE translations: French words sameas English are overriden by anotherlanguage

Hi,

> A lot of people seemed to want to earn cheap Karma by translating all
> the upstream English strings ("C") into "en_US" (which is identical).
> This causes language-pack-*-en to be very large

 OK.
 Does that mean that someone with a setup with en_GB / fr will see everything
in French? Yes, it will, I've just tried. Worse, a setup with en_GB / en_US /
fr / de is fully French too (with some German :-)

 I suppose few people would try that, given that everything is supposed to be
translated into English from the beginning, but this is definitely a bug.

 I would happy if the stripping was suppressed for non-English locales for
Karmic. It won't cost many bytes in the French archives, and I doubt other
languages have so many common words with English as French.

--
Christophe Courtois
http://www.courtois.cc/

Jonathan Thomas (echidnaman)
Changed in language-pack-kde-fr-base (Ubuntu):
importance: Undecided → Medium
tags: added: i18n kubuntu
Aron Xu (happyaron)
Changed in ubuntu-translations:
status: New → Triaged
Martin Pitt (pitti)
Changed in language-pack-kde-fr-base (Ubuntu):
milestone: none → ubuntu-9.10
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Martin Pitt (pitti) wrote :

Fixed in r280

Changed in langpack-o-matic:
status: In Progress → Fix Released
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Martin Pitt (pitti) wrote :

Next langpack rebuild will have this fixed.

Changed in language-pack-kde-fr-base (Ubuntu):
status: Triaged → Fix Committed
assignee: Ubuntu language pack builders (ubuntu-langpack) → Martin Pitt (pitti)
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Martin Pitt (pitti) wrote :

Should be fixed now, langpacks were updated last Friday.

Changed in language-pack-kde-fr-base (Ubuntu):
status: Fix Committed → Fix Released
David Planella (dpm)
Changed in ubuntu-translations:
status: Triaged → Fix Released
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