Comment 284 for bug 668415

@Danillo (and @all who want a summary of the whole discussion)

Concerning "sheer, childish stubborness"
1) comment 2# told us already the bug "won't fix" -> there was no explanation besides saying it is a design decision

2) comment #13 stated they will explore an RTL decision (after it was pointed out that the launcher, in the current implementation) could create inconvenience for RTL users
---> nothing has been done about that up to now. It was stated that they are working on it but (to be nasty) they were working on windicators as well
---> even if they come up with an RTL solution in the near future, you can say that this whole issue could haven been avoided if the launcher had been created with (at least) an OPTION to make it movable (this is called BAD design)
---> thus, WE pointed out the design issues very early, but they never did do anything about it
---> now, look at the MultiMonitor solution (which is no solution at all, just utter crap)

3) in comment #17 the statement was simply spoken "go away and fork or use Docky/Awn if you want to change anything, because we do not want the design to be changeable".
---> were was the sentence "it is open source and you can provide a PATCH to solve the issue"
---> instead it was directly stated that they do not want any patches. If you want changes, then FORK it.
---> Where is the inclusion of the community in this statement? I only see exclusion!

4) comment #47 is the first of many more written by different users, where it is said that the number of votes (at that time around 40 votes if I remember correctly) are only representative for the number of people without any access to launchpad. It was stated that there are many more people, known by the posters of the comments here, who also have a problem with a non-movable launcher.
---> This was more or less ignored.

5) Comment #51 referred explicitly to the MultiMonitor issue.
---> there was a chance to rethink the design until the precise release.
---> the comment was about one year before the Precise Release

6) comment #61 is Tal's first involvement with this bug and the confirmation of the MultiMonitor issue (under which I suffer as well, btw.). Furthermore a very understandable question of the validity of the stubborn "won't fix" position
---> one could state that the developer and designer side displayed some "sheer, childish stubborness" before the community side brought this up

7) comment #62 is a comment written by me. I just wanted to point out that one should not mix up Smartphone and TV OS design with that of a PC desktop.
----> Where is the problem of having the options integrated in the code?
----> A TV/Smartphone manufacturer will certainly not ship an OS which offers all the available option of the used OS to drive his devices, but a desktop user, on the other hand, might just want a little bit more comfort

8) what follows are:
---> many discussions about the validity of the usability studies conducted on the design
---> the community feeling disregarded because seemingly legacy behaviour and users of older Ubuntu version were not included in the design concept (despite the fact that these old USERS and COMMUNITY members made Ubuntu popular)
---> the question why the launcher cannot be moved even though the BFB is a part of the launcher, now
---> the comment that there is no manpower to change it at the moment
----> a comment (by an Ubuntu developer that the launcher might be made movable after Precise)
----> a fast comment by Mark Shuttleworth stating that this is not true and that the launcher will NEVER be movable
----> again no explanation what the NEW reason for this decision was
----> no new reason was given, despite the fact that nobody wanted the launcher to be movable for precise, we just wanted the idea to be implemented some time in the future
---> again no discussion about the idea to offer the community to create a patch and integrate it into Unity
---> a patch by a user who is currently working on a movable launcher
---> again there is not comment on this by the official side
---> after uproar that there is no comment, we get the answer that the design decision is "won't fix" and the developers lack manpower
----> they have manpower to create a launcher which appears on every screen in a multi-monitor environment
----> they had the manpower to create their own (Unity) desktop shell
----> they did not think about manpower when talking about the original design of the launcher

X) BTW: there was a comment of Mark elsewhere (blog, interview?) about two bugs which are really a pain in his ass because of the stubbornness of "a small group" who fight for it. I suppose he meant this bug and the minimize/maximize issue discussed elsewhere
---> thanks, I am feeling very famous at the moment
---> I better do not write what I really think about such a comment, be it written on a personal blog, or given in a public interview

Z) I saw the new Ubuntu TV design: good work. Looks splendid! (This statement just to show that I can distinguish between good design ideas and bad ones, and that I really can appreciate good work instead of just complaining about the bad work).