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Bug #668415
Comment #191

Comment 191 for bug 668415

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Fernando (fernandocarvalho1987) wrote on 2011-11-02: Re: [Bug 668415] Re: Movement of Unity launcher

#191

For everybody that is frustrated with Unity (like me), my suggestion
is to open a terminal and type
sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop

If you don't want Unity to get in your way when trying to open the
terminal, I can tell you the following options:
- hold ctrl + alt + F1
- hold ctrl + alt + T

Both will bring you a terminal to accomplish that.
After the process finish, you can type
sudo reboot

After your PC return from the reboot, select XFCE as your default
desktop manager.
With this, we can leave Unity developers alone and don't get bored
with their behavior.
As I can see, suggestions are not welcomed and will not be heard.
Let's leave them with their heavy weight, power inefficient,
inflexible desktop manager.
Maybe someday they might change their mind.

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Maarten Kossen
<email address hidden> wrote:
> @SRoesgen: You don't seem to be able to understand that a person can
> like something a lot, but still sees room for improvement. I like Unity
> a lot as it is, but I won't deny something can be improved. There's no
> hypocrisy in that. That's normal. I'm thankful for Unity, since it's a
> lot better than the classic Gnome interface (in my opinion) and made my
> day-to-day work easier. It never hurts to compliment people for work
> done, even though there is room for improvement. It gives people the
> feeling that they're doing something good, they're on the right road and
> maybe it motivates them to move further and improve the product.
>
> This bug is not a motivation, it just highlights that many people are
> not satisfied with Unity. There are two options from that point on:
>
> 1. Try and help to make things better
> 2. Do what you do and be frustrated
>
> I've seen a lot of 2 and a little of 1.
>
> Rome wasn't built in one day and Unity can't be perfect all at once.
> Incidentally, not everybody wants to live in Rome and it's the same
> thing that makes people dislike Unity: personal preference.
>
> If everybody hates Unity so much: don't use it! There are plenty of
> other options available. It's quite clear by now that Unity may not
> become what some expect of it. Stop doing 2 and move on.
>
> Maarten
>
>
> On 11/02/2011 11:49 AM, SRoesgen wrote:
>> Now, I am the one, who does not understand the fuss.
>>
>> I actually thought we went one step further down the right direction. At
>> least in the direction that most of the people here wanted this
>> discussion heading.
>>
>> > * we could have an option to reveal the launcher after a top left
>>> corner hit (so the movement returns to being the original
>>> slam-into-top-left-corner, then move to your app icon)
>>> * we could allow the launcher to move to the bottom of the screen.
>>> However, this would require a patch which took into account all the
>>> related issues, like animations and transitions, and the direction of
>>> various arrows. We would not accept a patch which reduced the quality of
>>> the existing experience for those who like it.
>>>
>>> Mark
>> To me this reads like "Canonical won't pay anybody to program a moveable
>> launcher, but will accept a well written patch which allows the launcher
>> to be placed at the bottom of the screen". So if all design requirements
>> are met the new option for the launcher will be accepted. At least this
>> is how I understood it.
>>
>> I do not know why anybody would now want to leave the Ubuntu train.
>> Nobody could expect Canonical to invest money into a development when
>> they see other, more pressing, features to be implemented.
>>
>> I was complaining here, because I thought that "won't fix" means that
>> the also will not accept any patches. But with this new answer I am
>> pretty pleased. I am no programmer, so I am afraid I cannot implement
>> the code for a moveable launcher myself. But still this gives me hope
>> that there is the possibility of a moveable launcher. That is all I
>> wanted. To hear "it could be feasible and we will accept a patch, if it
>> is well written".
>>
>> @Maarten Kossen:
>> Don't you think yourself that you sound somewhat exaggerated and hypocritical? Look at the comments of this article:
>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/ubuntu-desktop-designers-clarify-on-configurability/
>> there are tow main elements that permeat all comments
>> a) more configurability is great (there are not very many comments stating that they want the number of options stay the way it is)
>> b) many people state in the comments that Canonical/Ubuntu should learn to do PR work. And I have to agree with this. If this all was already on the agenda for a long time then why did not anybody say so month ago? Much of the fuss about many of the aspects in Unity would have been avoided. I, personally, am annoyed by the unmovable launcher, but I could have lived with it if I had thought that this would be one of the few things that would not be configurable. But instead it all appeared as if there would never be much space for configuration at all. So seemingly I was wrong and there will be a couple of options to configure the system. But many discussions and much of my frustration could have been avoided by some simple statements to the public (or to the community).
>> You say yourself you would prefer the launcher to be movable. So you cannot be entirely content with the system. I look at my own work and see that there are many things that I can improve. I do not applause myself because I did not make much errors today or yesterday; I simply look for those things I can improve. Real approval or praise is never uttered loudly, it is the lack of complaints. In a music concert you do not applause after every performance you can do so after everything was finished and everything found your approval. If someone needs approval or applause for the things he does, he knows he does it wrong.
>> It is hypocritical to thank somebody for his work, though, in the same comment you state that you would prefer that something would be improved (like having a movable launcher). You thank for something which you do not really like. So please do not brown nose and please do not call anybody here a drama queen.
>>
>> To be critical about something and pointing out errors that is always
>> more productive than just saying "oh wonderful, that is great". Finding
>> something great and thanking for everything never brought us forward. Do
>> not look at those who congratulate you for your achievements, look at
>> those who criticize, then ask yourself if the criticism is correct and
>> if there is something which could have been better. That is the reason
>> why we have grades at school which range from A to F.
>>
>> I am content with the most recent development. I certainly will not
>> thank for this development, especially when I look back at the recent 12
>> month and the whole discussion in and on this launchpad page. To be
>> content is the most honest thing I can do. Especially when looking at
>> the mentioned OMG Ubuntu article.
>>
>
> --
> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to a
> duplicate bug report (821156).
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/668415
>
> Title:
> Movement of Unity launcher
>
> Status in Ayatana Design:
> Won't Fix
> Status in NULL Project:
> Invalid
> Status in Unity:
> Won't Fix
> Status in Ubuntu:
> Won't Fix
>
> Bug description:
> Please consider this a possible feature request or wishlist.
>
> Now when Unity will be default desktop for 11.04 could you please
> consider to add option to configure Unity launcher placement. Add
> simple option to lock/unlock through right-click menu and drag
> launcher to desired location like left/right and bottom.
>
> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/668415/+subscriptions
>

--
Fernando

For everybody that is frustrated with Unity (like me), my suggestion
is to open a terminal and type
sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop

If you don't want Unity to get in your way when trying to open the
terminal, I can tell you the following options:
 - hold ctrl + alt + F1
 - hold ctrl + alt + T

Both will bring you a terminal to accomplish that.
After the process finish, you can type
sudo reboot

On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Maarten Kossen
<maarten.kossen@quateria.com> wrote:
> @SRoesgen: You don't seem to be able to understand that a person can
> like something a lot, but still sees room for improvement. I like Unity
> a lot as it is, but I won't deny something can be improved. There's no
> hypocrisy in that. That's normal. I'm thankful for Unity, since it's a
> lot better than the classic Gnome interface (in my opinion) and made my
> day-to-day work easier. It never hurts to compliment people for work
> done, even though there is room for improvement. It gives people the
> feeling that they're doing something good, they're on the right road and
> maybe it motivates them to move further and improve the product.
>
> This bug is not a motivation, it just highlights that many people are
> not satisfied with Unity. There are two options from that point on:
>
>  1. Try and help to make things better
>  2. Do what you do and be frustrated
>
> I've seen a lot of 2 and a little of 1.
>
> Rome wasn't built in one day and Unity can't be perfect all at once.
> Incidentally, not everybody wants to live in Rome and it's the same
> thing that makes people dislike Unity: personal preference.
>
> If everybody hates Unity so much: don't use it! There are plenty of
> other options available. It's quite clear by now that Unity may not
> become what some expect of it. Stop doing 2 and move on.
>
> Maarten
>
>
> On 11/02/2011 11:49 AM, SRoesgen wrote:
>> Now, I am the one, who does not understand the fuss.
>>
>> I actually thought we went one step further down the right direction. At
>> least in the direction that most of the people here wanted this
>> discussion heading.
>>
>>   >  * we could have an option to reveal the launcher after a top left
>>> corner hit (so the movement returns to being the original
>>> slam-into-top-left-corner, then move to your app icon)
>>>   * we could allow the launcher to move to the bottom of the screen.
>>> However, this would require a patch which took into account all the
>>> related issues, like animations and transitions, and the direction of
>>> various arrows. We would not accept a patch which reduced the quality of
>>> the existing experience for those who like it.
>>>
>>> Mark
>> To me this reads like "Canonical won't pay anybody to program a moveable
>> launcher, but will accept a well written patch which allows the launcher
>> to be placed at the bottom of the screen". So if all design requirements
>> are met the new option for the launcher will be accepted. At least this
>> is how I understood it.
>>
>> I do not know why anybody would now want to leave the Ubuntu train.
>> Nobody could expect Canonical to invest money into a development when
>> they see other, more pressing, features to be implemented.
>>
>> I was complaining here, because I thought that "won't fix" means that
>> the also will not accept any patches. But with this new answer I am
>> pretty pleased. I am no programmer, so I am afraid I cannot implement
>> the code for a moveable launcher myself. But still this gives me hope
>> that there is the possibility of a moveable launcher. That is all I
>> wanted. To hear "it could be feasible and we will accept a patch, if it
>> is well written".
>>
>> @Maarten Kossen:
>> Don't you think yourself that you sound somewhat exaggerated and hypocritical?  Look at the comments of this article:
>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/ubuntu-desktop-designers-clarify-on-configurability/
>> there are tow main elements that permeat all comments
>> a) more configurability is great  (there are not very many comments stating that they want the number of options stay the way it is)
>> b) many people state in the comments that Canonical/Ubuntu should learn to do PR work. And I have to agree with this. If this all was already on the agenda for a long time then why did not anybody say so month ago? Much of the fuss about many of the aspects in Unity would have been avoided. I, personally, am annoyed by the unmovable launcher, but I could have lived with it if I had thought that this would be one of the few things that would not be configurable. But instead it all appeared as if there would never be much space for configuration at all. So seemingly I was wrong and there will be a couple of options to configure the system. But many discussions and much of my frustration could have been avoided by some simple statements to the public (or to the community).
>> You say yourself you would prefer the launcher to be movable. So you cannot be entirely content with the system. I look at my own work and see that there are many things that I can improve. I do not applause myself because I did not make much errors today or yesterday; I simply look for those things I can improve. Real approval or praise is never uttered loudly, it is the lack of complaints. In a music concert you do not applause after every  performance you can do so after everything was finished and everything found your approval. If someone needs  approval or applause for the things he does, he knows he does it wrong.
>> It is hypocritical to thank somebody for his work, though, in the same comment you state that you would prefer that something would be improved  (like having a movable launcher). You thank for something which you do not really like. So please do not brown nose and please do not call anybody here a drama queen.
>>
>> To be critical about something and pointing out errors that is always
>> more productive than just saying "oh wonderful, that is great". Finding
>> something great and thanking for everything never brought us forward. Do
>> not look at those who congratulate you for your achievements, look at
>> those who criticize, then ask yourself if the criticism is correct and
>> if there is something which could have been better. That is the reason
>> why we have grades at school which range from A to F.
>>
>> I am content with the most recent development. I certainly will not
>> thank for this development, especially when I look back at the recent 12
>> month and the whole discussion in and on this launchpad page. To be
>> content is the most honest thing I can do. Especially when looking at
>> the mentioned  OMG Ubuntu article.
>>
>
> --
> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to a
> duplicate bug report (821156).
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/668415
>
> Title:
>  Movement of Unity launcher
>
> Status in Ayatana Design:
>  Won't Fix
> Status in NULL Project:
>  Invalid
> Status in Unity:
>  Won't Fix
> Status in Ubuntu:
>  Won't Fix
>
> Bug description:
>  Please consider this a possible feature request or wishlist.
>
>  Now when Unity will be default desktop for 11.04 could you please
>  consider to add option to configure Unity launcher placement. Add
>  simple option to lock/unlock through right-click menu and drag
>  launcher to desired location like left/right and bottom.
>
> To manage notifications about this bug go to:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/668415/+subscriptions
>

-- 
Fernando