Comment 52 for bug 430224

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Rolf Leggewie (r0lf) wrote :

My apologies for keeping on mixing up hardy and dapper. I appreciate your work, but if you look at comment 27 and my situation it may not be enough.

I am running a vserver on some hosting service out there (I actually have no idea what OS they use for the host). I am running hardy and think time has come to upgrade to lucid. I go through the motions which include a reboot and boom, without warning I am COMPLETELY shut off from my vserver. ssh does not come up because it relies on a working upstart. People lucky enough not to have upgraded yet from hardy are currently left without any upgrade path at all and without a warning of the potential upstart trouble.

Steve and Daniel warned about potential problems very early on, almost two years ago, but it seems that interest in investigating them thoroughly was bypassed in favor of pushing upstart out the door. That's the beef I have with it.

If thanks to your efforts we see a backport of a working upstart to lucid then I think some code changes should be pushed to hardy as well (probably into upstart-manager) that will refuse an update hardy->lucid when running inside a vserver/chroot when that PPA-solution you provide is not available ("Please enable PPA XY before continuing with the release update to lucid!")