Comment 271 for bug 332945

Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
> Jamin W. Collins: By "gratuitously difficult" I meant you had to (1)
> notice the icon, (2) recall that orange starburst = updates available
> (possibly assisted by a notification bubble, if you happened to look
> during the time the bubble was visible), (3) click on it (the panel
> icon, not the bubble!), and (4) click a button in a separate window.
> With the behavior I designed, you needed to (1) click the button in the
> window. With the 9.04 behavior you need to (1) notice the minimized
> window, (2) unminimize it, and (3) click the button in the window.
> That's not nearly as good, but it's still easier than the 8.10 behavior,
> because the window switcher button is (usually much) larger than the
> icon was.
>
> Uwe Schilling, Thomas Nardone: As I have already explained several
> times, this is far from the only time programs need to open windows
> unprompted; and conversely, even with a browser blocking popup windows,
> a determined Web site author can still open popup windows or things that
> look like windows. Therefore, trying to distinguish real prompts from
> fake ones by whether they open manually or automatically is dangerously
> wrong. Better defence mechanisms include making Web windows more
> obviously non-native (with help from both the browser and the Ubuntu
> theme), and more informative handling of downloaded executables (Windows
> Vista and especially Mac OS X do a much better job of that than Ubuntu
> does).
>
> pingou67: The old behavior was, and is, unacceptable with the
> introduction of Notify OSD. "Click on the icon"? What icon?
>
> Imre Gergely: An option like that would be meaningless to most humans,
> as you'd discover if you tried to mock it up.
>
> Keith Buel: We aim for the point where you wouldn't need to tell your
> parents *anything* about keeping the computer up to date -- it would be
> self-explanatory. The icon didn't meet that standard, and never could
> without disrupting your work like Windows does. The updates window may
> not meet that standard yet, but we'll fine-tune the design until it
> does.
>
> hurga, James Dowden: You guys are adorable.
>
> Noel J. Bergman: I have seen no evidence, in this bug report or anywhere
> else, of "the simple need for a form of persistent notification" for
> software updates. The closest to this I've seen is a problem where alpha
> testers tried to report crasher bugs on out-of-date packages and were
> rejected, but apport could be smarter about inviting you to update, and
> it's not as if Ubuntu is short of bug reports anyway.
>
> slithy: You have been misled. There is no other "method of handling
> notifications for updates" planned.
>
wait for it...