Comment 14 for bug 284354

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 09:07:56AM -0000, Oliver Grawert wrote:
> what still makes me curious is the fact that its apparently possible to
> load two concurrent modules at the same time for one hardware which
> seems to additionally point to a flaw in the module loading mechanism of
> the kernel (and produces massive races with the pm-utils scripts that
> unload/load the drivers on suspend/resume in no particular order).

I don't think we should be unloading and loading random modules during
suspend. Most drivers probably handle this fine now, and we should consider
changing this after 8.10.

It's perfectly reasonable for multiple modules to get loaded for a device,
so long as only one actually binds to it.

> what makes me upset is that we obviously jump on a fedora "freedom over
> everything, ignore the user" attitude with the whole thing here, i.e. i
> dont see us shipping the nuveau driver by default for nvidia cards and
> the ath5k situation in 2.6.27 was known beforehand apparently. what did
> justify the complete dropping of madwifi support ?

It was broadcast that madwifi was no longer properly supported; this has
been on the Intrepid targeted bug list since August. The original decision
to drop the wpasupplicant madwifi backend was discussed on ubuntu-devel back
in June with detailed rationale which had nothing to do with "freedom over
everything".

Let's stay calm and focus on the problem at hand.

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 - mdz