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| BobPendleton (bob-pendleton) wrote Re: [Bug 532633] Data that would be interesting | #424 |
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On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Mark Shuttleworth <email address hidden> wrote:
> On 25/03/10 17:12, Atel Apsfej wrote:
>> Yes this is one of the fundamental communication breakdowns between the
>> closed door design team and the external community. Shuttleworth and
>> the design team want data.. but they haven't communicated what that
>> means. Why hasn't that happened? Is the team concerned that the
>> passionate minority with game the system and heavily bias the data that
>> is being collected? There hasn't been a general data collecting
>> methodology articulated for any of the experimental design decisions.
>> This, more than any individual design decision, is the fundamental
>> breakdown in communication which risks hardening passionate contributors
>> in the Ubuntu community against Canonical in leading this work.
>>
>
> Atel, there is no conspiracy involved, nobody is afraid that data would
> be biased, because it's clear that all data is somehow biased and will
> need to be evaluated in that light. Nevertheless, data would be interesting.
>
> I haven't said what data in particular, because I thought it better to
> let people invent for themselves what might be a relevant study. If I
> said "I want data on X Y and Z" we'd get into a long argument about
> whether that's the relevant thing. I'd rather folks here had responded
> by saying "cool, here's some data I gathered".
>
> Since that hasn't happened, some things I'd be interested in:
>
> - where does the average mouse rest? i.e., when it's not being used,
> where is the mouse, usually? Think of a looooong term heat map of mouse
> locations, over a few hundred desktops and a few weeks. That would be
> interesting. Lots of people have said "My mouse is generally near the
> left because there's so much else there". others have said "The
> scrollbars on the right mean my mouse is hanging out there". Data would
> be useful.
>
> - are there accidental clicks on the close button in the new location?
> We know that the new location has lots going on around it. Are people
> accidentally clicking the wrong thing?
>
> - does it take longer to click it in the new location, once one is
> moving with intent in the right direction? We know that the fact that
> there's a lot around the target means finer motor control is required,
> and we know that generally means slower, more careful, more irritating
> movements. But is that actually measurably observed?
>
> Those are three items I'd like data on.
>
> But I'm sure there are folks following this conversation who could come
> up with smarter and more insightful formulations.
The question is being framed incorrectly. This is not a question of
minimizing hand motion. It is a question of cost benefit for the
individual users. Think about the constant bickering about the
advantages of Dvorak keyboard versus the Qwerty keyboard. No amount of
technical data will convince people to relearn how to type. The
possible advantage of the retraining is not sufficiently greater than
the effort you must expend to get that advantage. Not to mention that
in a world of Qwerty keyboards you must be prepared to type on a
Qwerty keyboard at any time any where. From the users point of view it
looks like a lot of work for little reward. The work must be done up
front but the reward trickles in over years. It just isn't worth it.
If you don't get what I am trying to say just try typing Qwerty using
the same fingers and at the same speed that you normally type. (This
test may not work if you are a two fingered typist :-) Using your best
touch typing technique type Qwerty several times without stopping.
How many times did you type QUwerty? If you are a touch typist and use
the English language you will have developed the pattern of
automatically typing a U after every Q. It is so automatic that you do
it even when you are trying not to. I've been a touch typist for 40
years. If you have only been typing for a few years you may not see
the same result. But, then you may also have to at least vaguely think
about the location of the keys while you type and you may still have
to consciously find the home position. The same thing happens with
driving. That is one of the reasons that new drivers pay higher rates.
Look up the concept of wu wei. It describes it very well. A physical
therapist might call it "muscle memory".
Bob Pendleton
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> [Master] Window Control buttons: position/
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> Status in “light-themes” package in Ubuntu: Triaged
> Status in “metacity” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed
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> Bug description:
> *** As per the design team's request***
> All bugs concerning the window controls are being duped to this master bug.
> All the decisions regarding the position/
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> Please centre the window title like in previous Human theme, and also re-order the window controls in classic order, positioned on the right side (menu - title - minimize, maximize close).
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> ==== Workaround ====
> To revert to old layout, enter in terminal:
> $ gconftool-2 --set /apps/metacity/
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> --OR--
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> This option will also fix the graphical appearance of the buttons.
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> ==== Overview ====
> Canonical design team leader - "Those pesky buttons" - 2010-03-10
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> Mark Shuttleworth's reply (on this bug report) - 2010-03-15
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