[MASTER] Please backport flashplugin-nonfree version 10 beta and asound-plugins from Intrepid so we can drop libflashsupport and the crashes it causes

Working on this today

Uploaded Gutsy and Hardy flash 10 package to my PPA at https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/+archive
I would like a few people to test this soon so i can get this in Hardy and Gutsy backports

ok subscibing jdong to this bug for an ack

Both built fine here and in PPA, jdong what else do you need for me to push this through, and are Dapper and Feisty ok to backport these too? reason i ask is Feisty is near EOS and Dapper is LTS

sorry built fine for hardy and gutsy. I couldnt find out how to add hardy and gutsy tasks so i just nominated them.

approving for gutsy-backports

approving for hardy-backports

dapper and feisty cannot be updated as konqueror still doesn't support xembed there.

Flawsh 10 for gutsy and hardy are built here https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/+archive for people that want to test before backporting

Thanks Alexander

Subscribed ubuntu-backporters for an ack on this. Assigned hardy and gutsy to me since im done with them. until further notice

i wasn't able to install the package by adding "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnomefreak/ubuntu hardy main" to my repositories list. i get messages about a broken package and and dependencies which aren't installable.

the output: (sorry it is in german)

Die folgenden Pakete sind KAPUTT:
  flashplugin-nonfree
Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden zusätzlich automatisch installiert:
  nspluginwrapper
Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden zusätzlich installiert:
  nspluginwrapper
0 Pakete aktualisiert, 2 zusätzlich installiert, 0 werden entfernt und 0 nicht aktualisiert.
Muss 132kB an Archiven herunterladen. Nach dem Entpacken werden 549kB zusätzlich belegt sein.
Die folgenden Pakete haben verletzte Abhängigkeiten:
  flashplugin-nonfree: Hängt ab: libflashsupport (> 1.9-0ubuntu1) ist aber nicht installationsfähig oder
                                  libasound2-plugins (>= 1.0.16) ist aber nicht installationsfähig
Resolving dependencies...
Die folgenden Aktionen werden diese Abhängigkeiten auflösen:

Beibehalten der folgenden Pakete in ihrer aktuellen Version:
flashplugin-nonfree [Nicht installiert]

exactt wrote:
> i wasn't able to install the package by adding "deb
> http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnomefreak/ubuntu hardy main" to my
> repositories list. i get messages about a broken package and and
> dependencies which aren't installable.
>
> the output: (sorry it is in german)
>
> Die folgenden Pakete sind KAPUTT:
> flashplugin-nonfree
> Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden zusätzlich automatisch installiert:
> nspluginwrapper
> Die folgenden NEUEN Pakete werden zusätzlich installiert:
> nspluginwrapper
> 0 Pakete aktualisiert, 2 zusätzlich installiert, 0 werden entfernt und 0 nicht aktualisiert.
> Muss 132kB an Archiven herunterladen. Nach dem Entpacken werden 549kB zusätzlich belegt sein.
> Die folgenden Pakete haben verletzte Abhängigkeiten:
> flashplugin-nonfree: Hängt ab: libflashsupport (> 1.9-0ubuntu1) ist aber nicht installationsfähig oder
> libasound2-plugins (>= 1.0.16) ist aber nicht installationsfähig
> Resolving dependencies...
> Die folgenden Aktionen werden diese Abhängigkeiten auflösen:
>
> Beibehalten der folgenden Pakete in ihrer aktuellen Version:
> flashplugin-nonfree [Nicht installiert]
>
Sorry i forgot to build libflashsupport. You should beable to install
libflashsupport from repos than try to install it the .deb that i built.
I will add libflashsupport to my PPA tonight.
Thanks for catching it.

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just gave it another try. but still no go...

if i manually select libflashsupport synaptic complains that flash10 requires libflashsupport >1.90ubuntu1 but only 1.90ubuntu1 is available...

exactt wrote:
> just gave it another try. but still no go...
>
> if i manually select libflashsupport synaptic complains that flash10
> requires libflashsupport >1.90ubuntu1 but only 1.90ubuntu1 is
> available...
>
Were you trying libflashsupport from my PPA or from official repos? Can
you please give me the exact message the version you have in your
comment is no where to be found maybe it should be >1.9-0ubuntu1. Ok i
think i found the issue i will upload new version in morning so it
should be ready tomorrow sometime.

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exactt wrote:
> just gave it another try. but still no go...
>
> if i manually select libflashsupport synaptic complains that flash10
> requires libflashsupport >1.90ubuntu1 but only 1.90ubuntu1 is
> available...
>
Here is the upload:
> gnomefreak@Development:~/flashplugin-nonfree_builds/hardy/libflashsupport$ dput ppa-gnomefreak libflashsupport_1.9-0ubuntu2~8.04~mt_source.changes
> Checking Signature on .changes
> gpg: Signature made Tue Jun 3 23:08:09 2008 EDT using DSA key ID 3C1C3C2A
> gpg: Good signature from "John Vivirito <email address hidden>"
> gpg: aka "John Vivirito <email address hidden>"
> gpg: aka "John Vivirito (gnomefreak) <email address hidden>"
> gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
> gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
> Primary key fingerprint: 03B9 D442 5A97 DBB9 BABA C1DD AA28 3841 3C1C 3C2A
> Good signature on /home/gnomefreak/flashplugin-nonfree_builds/hardy/libflashsupport/libflashsupport_1.9-0ubuntu2~8.04~mt_source.changes.
> Checking Signature on .dsc
> gpg: Signature made Tue Jun 3 23:08:05 2008 EDT using DSA key ID 3C1C3C2A
> gpg: Good signature from "John Vivirito <email address hidden>"
> gpg: aka "John Vivirito <email address hidden>"
> gpg: aka "John Vivirito (gnomefreak) <email address hidden>"
> gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
> gpg: There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
> Primary key fingerprint: 03B9 D442 5A97 DBB9 BABA C1DD AA28 3841 3C1C 3C2A
> Good signature on /home/gnomefreak/flashplugin-nonfree_builds/hardy/libflashsupport/libflashsupport_1.9-0ubuntu2~8.04~mt.dsc.
> Package includes an .orig.tar.gz file although the debian revision suggests
> that it might not be required. Multiple uploads of the .orig.tar.gz may be
> rejected by the upload queue management software.
> Uploading to ppa-gnomefreak (via ftp to ppa.launchpad.net):
> libflashsupport_1.9-0ubuntu2~8.04~mt.dsc: done.
> libflashsupport_1.9.orig.tar.gz: done.
> libflashsupport_1.9-0ubuntu2~8.04~mt.diff.gz: done.
> libflashsupport_1.9-0ubuntu2~8.04~mt_source.changes: done.
> Successfully uploaded packages.
> Not running dinstall.

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thx. i now was able to upgrade to flash 10.

though after surfing youtube using FF3 for about a minute and watching 3-5 videos firefox crashed with a segmentation fault. this is not happening with flash 9.

exactt wrote:
> thx. i now was able to upgrade to flash 10.
>
> though after surfing youtube using FF3 for about a minute and watching
> 3-5 videos firefox crashed with a segmentation fault. this is not
> happening with flash 9.
>
I wish i could support this as of this minute as this is only a temp
holding place until we figure out -proposed or -backports. Can you
please try to catch me in #ubuntu-mozillateam on irc.reenode.net. Please
let me know if using a new profile helps. You can follow instructions on
the folloing link to use new profile. If you need any help please find
me in #ubuntu-mozillateam. Cant really call this a bug at the moment
since its not final release and we dont have it in Ubuntu other than
Intrepid. You can move back to flash 9 by removing flashplugin-nonfree
and than installing flashplugin-nonfree from Ubuntu repos. I will take a
  look at this but i have a feeling its either an extension like
flashblock that is causing the crash
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs

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Ok update my PPA has Hardy flash 10 libflashsupport and 2 pulse audio packages, Can someone please test flash by not addding the repo to your sources.list instead just download flashplugin-nonfree, Pulseaudio and alsa-plugins you will need to install pulseaudio than alsa-plugins than flashplugin-nonfree i think. The reason im asking for testers is we would rather not have flash use libflashsupport if we can avoid it until we are positive its been fixed and as of this moment it doesnt look like it has been so if we can avoid backporting crashes we will. Im working on Gutsy packages today gonna depend on PA instead of libflash. since gutsy also didnt have libflashsupport package.

Hi John,
i downloaded and installed your packages:
flashplugin-nonfree libasound2-plugins libpulse-browse0 libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpulse0 libpulsecore5 pulseaudio pulseaudio-esound-compat pulseaudio-module-gconf pulseaudio-module-hal pulseaudio-module-x11 pulseaudio-module-zeroconf pulseaudio-utils

The flash player still doesn't use pulseaudio. Do i have to change anything else?

fx5 wrote:
> Hi John,
> i downloaded and installed your packages:
> flashplugin-nonfree libasound2-plugins libpulse-browse0 libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpulse0 libpulsecore5 pulseaudio pulseaudio-esound-compat pulseaudio-module-gconf pulseaudio-module-hal pulseaudio-module-x11 pulseaudio-module-zeroconf pulseaudio-utils
>
> The flash player still doesn't use pulseaudio. Do i have to change
> anything else?
>
You need to find out if you are using pulseaudio for sound. I however
cant remember the command to check/set it for default. If i see our
sound guys i will ask them to refresh my memeory.
Ok i pinged one of them and asked him to add commands to this bug. I
will be gone most of today but will check email sometime i hope.

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Ok,
I went back to the packages from hardy's apt-sources and removed the flashplugin-nonfree and libflashsupport.

I copied "libflashplayer.so" from original Flash-Player-10 tar.gz to .mozilla/plugins directory and ran

> "asoundconf set-pulseaudio"
Now it works for me.

fx5 wrote:
> Ok,
> I went back to the packages from hardy's apt-sources and removed the flashplugin-nonfree and libflashsupport.
>
> I copied "libflashplayer.so" from original Flash-Player-10 tar.gz to
> .mozilla/plugins directory and ran
>
>
>> "asoundconf set-pulseaudio"
>>
> Now it works for me.
>
>
Thanks for the update, It seems pulse audio wasnt set as default on your
system. Closing bug due to the ubove comment

 status invalid

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John Vivirito wrote:
[...]
It seems pulse audio wasnt set as default on your system
[...]

I don't understand your comment. libasound does not use pulseaudio in hardys default setting, does it?

To fix all flash issues i had to:
- Installing Flash 10
- AND removing libflashsupport
- AND setting libasound to use pulseaudio

fx5 wrote:
> John Vivirito wrote:
> [...]
> It seems pulse audio wasnt set as default on your system
> [...]
>
> I don't understand your comment. libasound does not use pulseaudio in
> hardys default setting, does it?
>
> To fix all flash issues i had to:
> - Installing Flash 10
> - AND removing libflashsupport
> - AND setting libasound to use pulseaudio
>
Yes Pulse Audio should be default in Hardy as that is what was intended
removing libflashsupport fixes alot of crashes and other issues
including sound playback. There were a few bugs on this since it
involved 3 packages in total but PA is het here as default in Hardy
clean install.

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Backporters i cant set package to gutsy or hardy-backports havent tried feisty but im betting it wont happen either for another bug it looks like Gutsy-Backports should work but it doesnt find a package.

exactt
can you please remove libflashsupport and install libasound package from my repos and test, Im betting this is one of libflashsupport issue and im hoping to get away without backporting that do to crashes.

Backporters/archive admins,
Hardy is done and ready to be pushed to backports all builds and works fine with PA but we also need to push alsa-plugins and that should give us the option of losing libflashsupport. both build and test fine here. You can find both packages in my PPA if needed to verify before pushing.

As for Gutsy AFAIK PA isnt used as default and there is not libflashsupport

(gutsy)gnomefreak@Development:~$ policy libflashsupport
libflashsupport:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: (none)
  Version table:

Not sure what im going to do on this one ATM.

I've installed libflashsupport, libasound2-plugins and I've removed libflashsupport and everything seems to work fine!

Sorry, I've forgot to say that I'm using Hardy!

Spinus wrote:
> Sorry, I've forgot to say that I'm using Hardy!
>
You need either libflashsupport or asound in hardy-intrepid but gutsy is
gonna need a bit more i wont beable to get to it until weekend or next
week to work on gutsy.

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As long as you have PA set to default than asound is needed and libflashsupport isnt needed but im thinking push both just in case but i would really like to talk to a backporter about what they feel comfortible doing atleast for Hardy

Setting hardy-backports to incomplete. I need a complete list of the packages and versions that need to be backported to make this happen. IIRC pulse is not default on all Ubuntu variants, so do not assume pulse.

Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Setting hardy-backports to incomplete. I need a complete list of the
> packages and versions that need to be backported to make this happen.
> IIRC pulse is not default on all Ubuntu variants, so do not assume
> pulse.
>
> ** Changed in: hardy-backports
> Status: Confirmed => Incomplete
>
>
we need either asound-plugins backported if we want to use pulse and
drop libflashsupport sue to libflashsupport is still causing crashes.
Otherwise we need flash10 + libflashsupport, I dont know how you would
want this done, I would just do libflashsupport+flash10 package but
after talking to Alexander about this he would rather see PA being used
to cut down on crashes. all the packages are built and tested in my PPA
i would like to know how backporters would handle this.

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Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Setting hardy-backports to incomplete. I need a complete list of the
> packages and versions that need to be backported to make this happen.
> IIRC pulse is not default on all Ubuntu variants, so do not assume
> pulse.
>
> ** Changed in: hardy-backports
> Status: Confirmed => Incomplete
>
>
If they want to use asound-plugins instead of libflashsupport they will
need to set it as default and i know backports should change default
settings so what would be best route to take on this, maybe backport
libflashsupport, flash , asound-plugins and write a wiki on how to set
it up depending on way user chooses?

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What are the defaults for Xubuntu and Kubuntu? We can't change those.

Scott Kitterman wrote:
> What are the defaults for Xubuntu and Kubuntu? We can't change those.
>
Not really sure but i will see if i can find out from riddle and cody,

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I know kubuntu doesnt use PA however i asked about xubuntu and i think the answer was also no but i will ask again.
Can you please see if flash 10 is already in hardy. Daniel was marking bugs fixed in flash 10 beta2 in hardy. I will ask him if i see him but its not likely for me to see him.

It does sound like Daniel as well ask Alexander and myself personally would rather use pulse audio than libflashsupport since libflashsupport still causes crashes.

Thanks for this work, I've had to help a number of people who are having flash9 sound issues.

FYI It looks like they have updated the version of flash:

$ wget http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_linux_051508.tar.gz
...
11:16:42 ERROR 404: Not Found.

The new version is at: http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_linux_070208.tar.gz

I noticed the deb package would successfully install even if it couldn't download and install flash, it would be nice if it would fail to install in this case.

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Anton Blanchard wrote:
> Thanks for this work, I've had to help a number of people who are having
> flash9 sound issues.
>
> FYI It looks like they have updated the version of flash:
>
> $ wget http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_linux_051508.tar.gz
> ...
> 11:16:42 ERROR 404: Not Found.
>
> The new version is at:
> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_linux_070208.tar.gz
>
> I noticed the deb package would successfully install even if it couldn't
> download and install flash, it would be nice if it would fail to install
> in this case.
>
Yes they have updated it once I get a few spare minutes ill build it. I
havent even checked my updates in intrepid so it may already be there.

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Uploading new upstream release to my PPA https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/+archive
It builds and works fine. daniel updated control to Demote versioned dependency for libflashsupport|
    libasound2-plugins to recommends.
So we should be ok backporting libasound2-plugins (also already in my PPA) and libflashsupport (my PPA) this way people have a choice on what they would ratehr use since xubuntu nor kubuntu use PA by default however im not sure how to update people on how to set up PA as default instead of using libflashsupport since it is known to cause crashes. Maybe ill run it by Daniel to see what he thinks.

Please explain, why you want to update "libasound2-plugins"-packages in hardy.

flashplayer10beta(1|2) works for me with hardys-default libasound2-plugins from "http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main" without libflashsupport. (Having set "asoundconf set-pulseaudio")

I tried you packages a few weeks ago, but they caused trouble, this may have changed, i don't know, but since hardys original packages work, why to change them?

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fx5 wrote:
> Please explain, why you want to update "libasound2-plugins"-packages in
> hardy.
>
> flashplayer10beta(1|2) works for me with hardys-default
> libasound2-plugins from "http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main" without
> libflashsupport. (Having set "asoundconf set-pulseaudio")
>
> I tried you packages a few weeks ago, but they caused trouble, this may
> have changed, i don't know, but since hardys original packages work, why
> to change them?
>
May not need to update them but at the time i tested it was needed to be
updated. my packages didnt cause any issues for anyone other than i was
missing a dep that was fixed the next day. what type of issues did you
see. this may have changed but when it was first tested on my hardy
system it was needed due to dep issues.(this was a before intrepid got
it but i didnt upload them to PPa due to dep problems and mostly the
deps are needed for gutsy not hardy see comment
https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/235135/comments/28

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fx5 wrote:
> Please explain, why you want to update "libasound2-plugins"-packages in
> hardy.
>
> flashplayer10beta(1|2) works for me with hardys-default
> libasound2-plugins from "http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main" without
> libflashsupport. (Having set "asoundconf set-pulseaudio")
>
> I tried you packages a few weeks ago, but they caused trouble, this may
> have changed, i don't know, but since hardys original packages work, why
> to change them?
>
You also dont really need either to run it but you wont beable to watch
all flash videos or will have issues with them without one or other
installed. While we are at it we should update all packages needed
around it so we dont have issues. anyway not too worried about hardy
anyway. backporters need to know what is preffered and that is why i
asked Daniel to look at it and give his opinion.

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John, thank you for trying to fix the issues.

> what type of issues did you see.

After installing your packages the sound broke in totem. I was unable to see any videos with totem until i removed your packages and installed the original ones again. I think i only saw the first frame of every video, but i am not 100% sure.

I will try it again in a few days, if you want.

The current version of intrepid's source packages for flashplugin-nonfree and libflashsupport should be backported to hardy (and possibly gutsy).

It is not entirely clear how alsa-lib and alsa-plugins should be handled. Based on testing, the current version of intrepid's source packages for alsa-lib and alsa-plugins also need to be backported. fx5 asserts that hardy's libasound2-plugins (alsa-plugins) works fine for him, but it's not entirely clear whether he's using the older (and reverted) version of libasound2 (alsa-lib, from hardy-proposed).

I will attempt to commit a minimal set of diffs for hardy's alsa-lib.

> but it's not entirely clear whether he's using the older (and reverted) version of libasound2 (alsa-lib, from hardy-proposed)

No, i'm using libasound2 1.0.15-1ubuntu3 0 (from http://archive.ubuntu.com hardy/main) and flash 10beta1.

If you have new backported versions of libasound, I want to try them. If they work with totem and so on, too, I am not against backporting. What issues are fixed by the new versions?

I reverted from flash10beta2 back to beta1, because beta2 consumes a lot of cpu. Anyone else noticed that?

my 2 cents: i run hardy amd64. i just updated flash from gnomefreak's PPA and left all the pulse stuff aside. i now use Shockwave Flash 10.0.0 d525 without any problems so far.

i will keep you updated if any problems occur.

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Daniel T Chen wrote:
> The current version of intrepid's source packages for flashplugin-
> nonfree and libflashsupport should be backported to hardy (and possibly
> gutsy).
>
> It is not entirely clear how alsa-lib and alsa-plugins should be
> handled. Based on testing, the current version of intrepid's source
> packages for alsa-lib and alsa-plugins also need to be backported. fx5
> asserts that hardy's libasound2-plugins (alsa-plugins) works fine for
> him, but it's not entirely clear whether he's using the older (and
> reverted) version of libasound2 (alsa-lib, from hardy-proposed).
>
> I will attempt to commit a minimal set of diffs for hardy's alsa-lib.
>
Ok i think its safe to say we can backport libflashsupport and flash10
and Damiel will worry about pulse audio.
I have Hardy ready for backports it builds and runs with libflashsupport .
As for Gutsy it didnt ship with libflashsupport IIRC so it will be a new
package as a backport is this ok by backporter standards if you let me
know ill go ahead and build the packages for Gutsy and add them to PPA.
Well ill do it anyway since its a good diea to not ship flash without
libflashsupport at this time since PA isnt really updated in Gutsy but
let me know. Ill mark Hardy backports as triaged to get ball rolling.

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Working on this now.

New packages are fine for backports. We want to do the PA backport at the
same time, right?

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fx5 wrote:
> John, thank you for trying to fix the issues.
>
>> what type of issues did you see.
>
> After installing your packages the sound broke in totem. I was unable to
> see any videos with totem until i removed your packages and installed
> the original ones again. I think i only saw the first frame of every
> video, but i am not 100% sure.
>
> I will try it again in a few days, if you want.
>
Thanks that was the first i heard of this, can you tell me what
packages you used from my PPA besides flashplugin-nonfree im fairly
sure its the backported alsa or the plugins that caused this but also
since they dont on Intrepid they shouldnt in Hardy since that is all
it is is Intrepids package build on HArdy

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Scott Kitterman wrote:
> New packages are fine for backports. We want to do the PA backport
> at the same time, right?
>
I think Daniel is handling PA so we can ship libflashsupport and flash
until his PA packages are ready? sorry that is a question more than a
comment

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You're the expert on this backport... You tell me?

:-)

For hardy we can ship without PA stuff for now. As for gutsy i ran into a snag on libflashsupport so a PA package or 2 needs to be backported but the problem i got during build is Requested 'libpulse >= 0.9.7' but version of libpulse is 0.9.6

Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
installed software in a non-standard prefix.

But i will see if i can cherry pick that without any issues.
Daniel please let me know if this is gonna be a problem for you or for backport process at all.

I will get the package pulseaudio into my PPA for Gutsy and see what happens from there.

Hi John,
I installed these packages from your ppa as you asked at 2008-06-10:

> flashplugin-nonfree libasound2-plugins libpulse-browse0 libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpulse0 libpulsecore5
> pulseaudio pulseaudio-esound-compat pulseaudio-module-gconf pulseaudio-module-hal pulseaudio-module-x11 > pulseaudio-module-zeroconf pulseaudio-utils

this was on 2008-06-10. After that, I was unable to play videos with totem. This was caused by pulseaudio or libasound-packages, I think.

ok done with everything so far.

Gutsy::
pulseaudio - 0.9.10-2ubuntu1~7.10~jjv
flashplugin-nonfree - 10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~7.10~jjv
libflashsupport - 1.9-0ubuntu2~7.10~jjv

they build without failure but i havent tested with gutsy since i dont have a gutsy system

For backports, confirmed/triaged indicates testing is complete.

When backported, the packages will have a revision ending in ~gutsy1 or ~hardy1. Please make your test packages have a lower revision (e.g. ~hardy1~jvv1) so they will be replaced by the official packages when released.

you mean ~8.04~jjv is higher than ~hardy1? same for gutsy?

When i back ported alien-arena i used alien-arena - 7.0-1~8.04~jjv in my PPA and nobody said anything about it and it was pushed to archives. so im not sure how mine is higher even due to the ~jjv at end i thought made it lower automagicly
Please let me know wht a good revision would be and i will remove the ones there and upload the new versions.

I missed the 8.04 when I read it. I think it's OK, but am operating on 2
hours sleep currently, so no guarantees. dpkg-compareversions (or something
close to that - did I mention 2 hours of sleep ...) will know for sure.
Please double check it.

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John Vivirito wrote:
> When i back ported alien-arena i used alien-arena - 7.0-1~8.04~jjv in my PPA and nobody said anything about it and it was pushed to archives. so im not sure how mine is higher even due to the ~jjv at end i thought made it lower automagicly
> Please let me know wht a good revision would be and i will remove the ones there and upload the new versions.
>
Forget the above comments im rebuilding all of the packages with
hardy0~jjv so hardy1 will be higher. Same with gutsy.if this is not ok
p[ease let me know what they should be. it is a good idea anyone using
this packages should check my PPa page nad downgrade to new versions, i
have removed the package with ~8.04 and ~7.04 related to flash and PA

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For Gutsy builds need to change libflashsupports build-dep debhelper to >=5) instead of >=6 that its at in Intrepid this makes it less packages to backport
also for libflashsupport you need to have pulseaudio (the package) backported first to satisfy build-deps since it needs libpulse >0.9.7
so we need to figure out how to work that part of it but they are on my PPA for Gutsy, PPA needs to rebuild libflashsupport since i uploaded in wrong order.

Does libflashsupports build-dep actually need debhelper >=6?

no it works with 5* in gutsy. everything is built on PPA only thing is pulse audio isnt "needed" for Hardy as it is "Needed" in Gutsy due to libflashsupport deps on >0.9.7 and i backported 0.9.10

ok all packages uploaded to PPA. Anyone know where to find Gutsy testers. I have it running in Gutsy chroot with a separate profile but as i recall we need more than one tester to get the ack.

For backports one tester is fine.

here are the hardy changelogs for flash 10 and libflashsupport. seems easier to paste intrepids and my versions/revisions if not ok let me know and ill debdiff them tomorrow im getting tired of computer today.

flashplugin-nonfree (10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~hardy0~jjv) hardy; urgency=low

  * Backported from Intrepid to Hardy

 -- John Vivirito <email address hidden> Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:23:53 -0400

flashplugin-nonfree (10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1) intrepid; urgency=low

  * New upstream beta.
  * debian/config:
    debian/postinst: Update md5sums, filenames, and paths.
  * debian/control: Demote versioned dependency for libflashsupport|
    libasound2-plugins to recommends.

 -- Daniel T Chen <email address hidden> Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:29:04 -0400

libflashsupport (1.9-0ubuntu2~hardy0~jjv) hardy; urgency=low

  * Backported from Intrepid to Hardy for Flash 10

 -- John Vivirito <email address hidden> Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:25:21 -0400

libflashsupport (1.9-0ubuntu2) intrepid; urgency=low

  * debian/control: Conflict with flashplugin-nonfree versions older
    than intrepid's while allowing for backports (LP: #192888).

 -- Daniel T Chen <email address hidden> Tue, 20 May 2008 17:09:01 -0400

Ack for Hardy from ubuntu-backporters for:

flashplugin-nonfree (10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1
libflashsupport (1.9-0ubuntu2)

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Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Ack for Hardy from ubuntu-backporters for:
>
> flashplugin-nonfree (10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1
> libflashsupport (1.9-0ubuntu2)
>
> ** Changed in: hardy-backports
> Importance: Undecided => Wishlist
> Status: Triaged => In Progress
>
Thanks Scott for the ack. As for gutsy i will get up with Daniel and see
what he would like to do with it maybe he will backport all PA
packages/libs and that would make it easier to deal with Gutsy
backporting of flash

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 * Trying to backport flashplugin-nonfree...
  - <flashplugin-nonfree_10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1.dsc: downloading from librarian>
  - <flashplugin-nonfree_10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1.tar.gz: downloading from librarian>
I: Extracting flashplugin-nonfree_10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1.dsc ... done.
I: Building backport of flashplugin-nonfree-10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1 as 10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~hardy1 ... done.
 * Trying to backport libflashsupport...
  - <libflashsupport_1.9.orig.tar.gz: downloading from librarian>
  - <libflashsupport_1.9-0ubuntu2.diff.gz: downloading from librarian>
  - <libflashsupport_1.9-0ubuntu2.dsc: downloading from librarian>
I: Extracting libflashsupport_1.9-0ubuntu2.dsc ... done.
I: Building backport of libflashsupport-1.9 as 1.9-0ubuntu2~hardy1 ... done.

OK, where do I start. I just updated the flashplugin here and a lot of my sites stopped working with "invalid version of flash" messages. Also it is hogging my CPU right now:

6493 root 20 0 487m 143m 6388 R 37 7.1 15:43.50 Xorg
13406 rjohnson 20 0 315m 147m 29m S 18 7.3 11:07.15 firefox

This is just sitting idle. With the last version I had no problems at all.

Also, Firefox is constantly crashing now, which it hasn't done in a long time, and the finger is being pointed at the latest flash when I run from cli.

rjohnson@chi-lt-010:~$ firefox
GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetMIMEDescription
GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetMIMEDescription return
GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue
GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue: returning plugin name.
GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue return
GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue
GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue: returning plugin description.
GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue return

(firefox:17435): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_x11_colormap_foreign_new: assertion `xcolormap != None' failed

(firefox:17435): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed

(firefox:17435): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_x11_colormap_foreign_new: assertion `xcolormap != None' failed

(firefox:17435): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed

(firefox:17435): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_x11_colormap_foreign_new: assertion `xcolormap != None' failed

(firefox:17435): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed

(firefox:17435): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_x11_colormap_foreign_new: assertion `xcolormap != None' failed

(firefox:17435): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed

(firefox:17435): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_x11_colormap_foreign_new: assertion `xcolormap != None' failed

(firefox:17435): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed

(firefox:17435): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_x11_colormap_foreign_new: assertion `xcolormap != None' failed

(firefox:17435): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed

(firefox:17435): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_x11_colormap_foreign_new: assertion `xcolormap != None' failed

(firefox:17435): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed ...

This is a problem. I think we need to remove these and start over.

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Scott Kitterman wrote:
> This is a problem. I think we need to remove these and start over.
>
> ** Changed in: hardy-backports
> Status: Fix Released => Incomplete
>
I havent run into these yet. the site that says its wrong verion is most
likely due to being beta and most likely the site hasnt updated to use
flash 10 and may be made just for flash 9, you tube i saw no crashes nor
 invaild errrors.
Please remove libflashsupport and set pulse audio as default and please
retry the sites that are crashing. libflashsupport causes most of the
crashes you get from flash that is why i wanted PA and drop
libflashsupport all together. Alexander was also against libflashsupport.
Ty that and let me know if it helps.
The site not accepting it i would have to say its a site issue on the
grounds that youtube works as due most flash sites that i have found.
Please test with multiple flash sites and let me know what ones they are
that you find it gives you invalid flash version again.
It is known that if you play multiple flash videos at same time (i
havent been able to reproduce it in 9 or 10 but poeple are having this
issue) but playing the videos and clicking back(maybe forth) I will as
Alexander where the bug is so i can give you exact problem, but
upstream has to fix that there isnt much we can change with flash but it
does need to be fixed and Adobe has been aware of this issue.

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Same problem here after the update.
Firefox crashing and hogging the CPU to 100%.
johan@T43:~$ firefox
GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetMIMEDescription
GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetMIMEDescription return
GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue
GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue: returning plugin name.
GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue return
GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue
GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue: returning plugin description.
GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue return
Segmentation fault

Downgrade back to 9.0.124.0ubuntu2.

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Johan Van Hellemont wrote:
> Same problem here after the update.
> Firefox crashing and hogging the CPU to 100%.
> johan@T43:~$ firefox
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetMIMEDescription
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetMIMEDescription return
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue: returning plugin name.
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue return
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue: returning plugin description.
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue return
> Segmentation fault
>
> Downgrade back to 9.0.124.0ubuntu2.
>
I thought GCJ is java not flash.
Are you on amd64 bit system?

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Johan Van Hellemont wrote:
> Same problem here after the update.
> Firefox crashing and hogging the CPU to 100%.
> johan@T43:~$ firefox
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetMIMEDescription
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetMIMEDescription return
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue: returning plugin name.
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue return
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue: returning plugin description.
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue return
> Segmentation fault
>
> Downgrade back to 9.0.124.0ubuntu2.
>
Oh btw running firefox from terminal has nothing to do with flash unless
you navigate to a flash page after running it and your output tells me
you didnt move to an address you just started it and died.

Please if you are seeing a crash open a bug report and attach a crash
report from apport or obtain a backtrace by following instructions at:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs
and let us know on this bug report the link to your new bug with
attchments added. this way we can find out what is causing the crash. A
crash on youtube doesnt mean that it is flash crashing. since there are
other things o the page including but not limited to javascript (this
was an example im not stating that you used youtube)

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    John Vivirito

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Johan Van Hellemont wrote:
> Same problem here after the update.
> Firefox crashing and hogging the CPU to 100%.
> johan@T43:~$ firefox
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetMIMEDescription
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetMIMEDescription return
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue: returning plugin name.
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue return
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue: returning plugin description.
> GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue return
> Segmentation fault
>
> Downgrade back to 9.0.124.0ubuntu2.
>
Im seeing this package is having issues but everyone needs to
understand a few things. Flash 10 is not released as final.
Everyone needs to remeber this is a beta release not official and
since it fixes a lot of bugs that was there in flash 9 so i took the
chance to backport it.

I am unable to test every flash site out there
Most of these can be caused by corrupt profiles extensions however i
am not saying its not flash causing it but most are likely to be
caused by either installing libflashsupport (as we already have known
that causes crashes or not having eitehr libflashsupport or PA (for
all we know its the sound that is causing crashes). We cant know since
firefox 3 doesnt output anything useful to terminal when ran from
terminal this is something that was introduced in ff3 and we cant
obtain anything useful on backtraces or apport reports or any type of
crash log/report since flash is not free and we cant make debugging
packages so you cant in turn see problems on flash only crashes.
Just visiting a site doesnt mean its flash taht caused crashes.

Im adding this here so i can refer people here to read it.

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Johan Van Hellemont wrote:
> Same problem here after the update. Firefox crashing and hogging
> the CPU to 100%. johan@T43:~$ firefox GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548:
> NP_GetMIMEDescription GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548:
> NP_GetMIMEDescription return GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548:
> NP_GetValue GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue: returning
> plugin name. GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue return GCJ
> PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548: NP_GetValue GCJ PLUGIN: thread 0x805f548:
> NP_GetValue: returning plugin description. GCJ PLUGIN: thread
> 0x805f548: NP_GetValue return Segmentation fault
>
> Downgrade back to 9.0.124.0ubuntu2.
>
Also if you get a crash please obtain back trace or apport crash
report and attach to your crash bugs so we can know what is causing
the crash.

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    John Vivirito

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He removed libflashsupport and still had problems.

He needs to make sure the .so isnt in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins removing packages doesnt always remove the .so
Im thinking of only pushing flash 10 to gutsy and forget libflashsupport as it causes most of flash crashes and has as long as i heard of liblflashsupport.

ok maybe we should pull libflashsupport backported package out so we can figure out what is flash and what is libflashsupport. It is possible to run flash without PA or libflash. if we can pull it. I wasnt too keen on backporting that package to begin with but crimsun said to do it and he would figure out pulse audio.
I really really need to know if it is flash for sure causing these crashes. The reason i say this is due to i tested it on youtube for a week or so and on flash website. Now there are some bugs in the package seeing as its flash and its beta version. Adobe doesnt give a crap about linux packages and that is another reason why i dont like flash. i was asked to do this by people in community so i did it. I was unable to get flash to crash on youtube nor flash website. I dont go searching the net for every flash site.

I also noticed most of the crashes are on 64bit flash with nspluginwrapper and i knwo nspluginwrapper is causing crashes as well.
What steps should be done until final release of flash 10? If we remove it they will still crash on flash 9 most likely same sites that are crashing now. If we remove or blackflag libflashsupport we could cause only one sound able to play at a time. setting PA as default fixes that so no need for libflash than.
The reason i picked flash website and youtube was because they are the mainly used sites youtube is just popular and flash site people looking for updates to tell us to package it. Honestly i rarely use flash i dont surf youtube or anything for most part unless i testing flash or gnash.

I dont think flash 10 introduced any bugs that 9 didnt have maybe a few but i cant say alot since all flash versions i knew crashed in Linux more so than in Windows.
Please give me ideas on what we can do to fix this. My suggestion if remove/blackflag libflashsupport and hope that final fixes these crashes or atleast next beta fixing them but i would prefer to backport final than doing each beta/RC releases.

The problem of this backport is libflashsupport. We should not have backported that as it just causes crashes. Is its possible to backout this backport, please do so.

I am a purger :P

flashplugin-alternative.so mplayerplug-in-qt.so mplayerplug-in.so
libjavaplugin.so mplayerplug-in-qt.xpt mplayerplug-in-wmp.so
mplayerplug-in-dvx.so mplayerplug-in-rm.so mplayerplug-in-wmp.xpt
mplayerplug-in-dvx.xpt mplayerplug-in-rm.xpt mplayerplug-in.xpt

I think YouTube was the only site that didn't give me any problems. The ones giving me problems were the Target.com website when I went to look at this weeks ads, Myfoxchicago.com was another issue when looking at the weather, and there were a slew of others. Honestly, Flash 10 is worse than Flash 9. I have temporarily #commented out -backports just to stay away and went back to Flash 9. I shouldn't have to make Pulse Audio default either, especially since A) I am running KDE and it isn't KDE-friendly yet, and B) I don't even like Pulse Audio. The problems always happened when entering a page with Flash.

Is it going to work at all on non-PA systems? It may be good for Gnome,
but if it doesn't work on kde and xfce, I think we need to dump the whole
backport.

so guys, as a simple user should i wait for an update(that i hope its released tomorrow) where u guys do whatevar you have to do (downgrading and stuff), or i have to downgrade manually?this thing is slower and buggier than ever.. i cant be on myspace.com without it crashing..just want to know if u will work this out till 2morrow or if i have to do it by myself..??

Maybe tomorrow. Probably longer.

We've uploaded new versions of flashplugin-nonfree and libflashsupport. They should be published in ~90 minutes. When prompted to upgrade, it will reinstall (with a new version number) the exact same thing you had before installing these backports. If you're happy with the new one, don't install it. If you're having problems, take the upgrade and it should fix things back to the way they were.

Before we do this again, we need a test with Kubuntu amd64. That would catch the cases of 64 bit and non-PA. We need to check both those before we do this again.

Ok, this is just a mess. 32-bit users normally don't see crashes with libflashsupport installed (but some do). 64-bit users will see crashes. We need to rip out libflashsupport from intrepid's archive (source+binary) and remove it from intrepid's flashplugin-nonfree's suggests.

Wait, it gets better. Doing the above will resolve Flash-related crashers for people using PulseAudio with Flash, but it does absolutely nothing for people who want to use PulseAudio with Flash. (I don't want to ask how certain people got libflashsupport installed, but...) Remember that alsa-libs and alsa-plugins need to be backported, too, and until the entire ALSA+PulseAudio stack is upgraded to its intrepid counterpart, those users are still screwed.

In other words, PulseAudio users gain nothing with this backport until alsa-lib and alsa-plugins are also backported so that libflashsupport can be removed.

ALSA users should ensure they don't have an /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc, as using overridden definitions vastly complicates the error paths. And, of course, they shouldn't have libflashsupport installed.

64-bit users need to ensure nspluginwrapper and lib32asound2 remain installed.

Alexander,

In this case, "libflashsupport" was not the cause of many of these crashes.

Please see this bug #247682 - it is *not* a libflashsupport or PulseAudio issue, it's a bug in Firefox3. See also: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008/07/addessing_wmode_crashes.html

I had also problems with Firefox3 and Flash10 from the backports yesteray. My main problem was the very high CPU and I also noticed slow video playback on youtube and google video. So it is unusable for me. I don't have libflashsupport installed and I'm running Kubuntu, not Gnome Ubuntu.

For the first time in 3 years I had to disable backports to get things back to normal. I never had problems with Flash 9.

Cheers,

Jeroen

Scott,

the new upload fixed all of my crashes and the version issue with the websites that had them. Thanks!

There were mulitple problems, the one that probably afflicted Kubuntu users
is we need to update alsa at the same time. You can update to the current
package in backports and it will revert this change.

Daniel,

Everything in your comment re: libflashsupport is accurate (except that you got things backwards - it's 32bit users that notice crashes with libflashsupport, while 64bit users do not notice as often, as nspluginwrapper preserves the firefox process from completely dying), but since the release of Flash v10 beta 2, things have become even more complicated. Yes, libflashsupport is still buggy and can cause random crashes after visiting several sites such as Youtube.

However, the issue encountered by users specifically with Flash 10 beta 2 is not because of libflashsupport, but it is in fact with Firefox 3's buggy support for "windowless mode" - even recent versions of swfdec (that have windowless mode support) will exhibit issues. Only certain sites seem to be affected, so for example, Youtube will never cause a crash, but other sites will crash 100% reproducibly - and this is without libflashsupport being installed.

You should check bug #247682 and the linked upstream issue, as well as the blog entry from Adobe. I have refrained from linking or marking it as a dupe of this bug, as this bug was originally a Hardy backport request. Bug #247682 deals with the actual bug in Firefox 3 (exposed by the latest Flash), which is now relevant to Intrepid (and it has nothing to do with libflashsupport or PulseAudio, for once!).

Another issue with this backport that had not ocurred to me is that some
sites will not work with a Flash version other than the current release
version (which this beta is not). I ran into this during my testing
yesterday.

Because of this and the other huge pile of issues, I think we should not
try this again before the final Flash 10 release.

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Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Another issue with this backport that had not ocurred to me is that
> some sites will not work with a Flash version other than the
> current release version (which this beta is not). I ran into this
> during my testing yesterday.
>
> Because of this and the other huge pile of issues, I think we
> should not try this again before the final Flash 10 release.
>
Yeah my last post said pretty much same thing but other things that
bothered me. Its very possible a ff3 issue. but i think its more of a
flash issue as i have stated before flash support for Linux is very
low priority and Windows much the opposite and honestly that has been
a thorn in my side for the longest time. Gnash has some issues but not
as much as flash 9 does. I have NEVER seen a stable flash version for
Linux yet.
This is all prior to me having coffee today so if it doesnt make sense
ask me again in a few hours :)

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    John Vivirito

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It doesnt make a difference if we backport alsa-plugins or *-libs as
Kubuntu doesnt use them.
As for Daniels post:

nspluginwrapper IIRC has a few crashing bugs due npviewer (that may
not be right name but it looks right.) Daniel you had said to backport
flash and libflashsupport and that you would look at pulseaudio so
that is what we did, You might have meant for Gutsy but since
pulseaudio is a high enough version in Hardy we shouldnt have to
backport it from intrepid UNLESS you made major changes to pulseaudio
for Intrepid that were needed for Hardy and i dont remember seeing
much in the way of major changes for pulseaudio nor alsa-plugins (both
can be found in PPA) I cant remember what package alsa-libs was in
unles you meant like libpulse0 than most if not all are in pulseaudio
source package.
If those are needed they are done and ready to be pushed to Hardy but
i thought Daniel was working on them doing that however will only fix
it for gnome users since we are only ones using pulseaudio by default
and im sure kde users would want to keep using arts. I see no way of
helping with that.
Are we sure all these crashes are being caused by flash and not
something else? I havent seen any crash logs nor backtraces. It most
likely is.
As of the update to us about the backport in Hardy i decided i would
test myspace and i dont see any crashes and i had already tested
youtube. When i had tested before getting the ack for Hardy backports
i testeed youtube and flash home page (thinking these are most likely
gonna cause a crash).
Please make sure the crash isnt from 2+ vidoes playing at same time
and using back button Im fairly sure that is how you reproduce a long
time flash crash and no flash 10 doesnt fix that as of yet. apart from
Richard has anyone else on 32bit seen their crashes go away with
latest flash update that Scott has pushed? their are alot of npviewer
crashes ( i think that is 64bit only) or atleast most.
Either we can try again with PA stuff (that i thought we needed until
Daniel's post) that is already been pushed to PPA when i was doing the
flash backports or we wait for final release I really think sice
Hardy is LTS we should be updating it but we need to know that it
works for everyone and that is impossible. Can anyone confirm that the
sites being seen crashing the problem. Reason i ask is because while
the most used site youtube doesnt crash why would others unless they
are not updated to use flash 10 (although youtube shouldnt be since
flash is in beta) I only tested with 32bit and on 2 sites i have no
way of testing 64bit and as it was brought to my attention we only
needed one test (im sure not one site that is why i tested on a few.

- --
Sincerely Yours,
    John Vivirito

Since Richard (nixternal) is using Kubuntu, PA changes won't help him.

fx5 wrote:
> John Vivirito wrote:
> [...]
> It seems pulse audio wasnt set as default on your system
> [...]
>
> I don't understand your comment. libasound does not use pulseaudio in
> hardys default setting, does it?
>
> To fix all flash issues i had to:
> - Installing Flash 10
> - AND removing libflashsupport
> - AND setting libasound to use pulseaudio
>
libasound is built with alsa-plugins so i would have to assume it uses
it when PA is set to default and libflashsupport depends on libasound

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    John Vivirito

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Linux User# 414246

Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > There were mulitple problems, the one that probably afflicted Kubuntu
users
> > is we need to update alsa at the same time. You can update to the current
> > package in backports and it will revert this change.

It doesnt make a difference if we backport alsa-plugins or *-libs as
Kubuntu doesnt use them.
As for Daniels post:
Ok, this is just a mess. 32-bit users normally don't see crashes with
> libflashsupport installed (but some do). 64-bit users will see crashes.
> We need to rip out libflashsupport from intrepid's archive
> (source+binary) and remove it from intrepid's flashplugin-nonfree's
> suggests.
>
> Wait, it gets better. Doing the above will resolve Flash-related
> crashers for people using PulseAudio with Flash, but it does absolutely
> nothing for people who want to use PulseAudio with Flash. (I don't want
> to ask how certain people got libflashsupport installed, but...)
> Remember that alsa-libs and alsa-plugins need to be backported, too, and
> until the entire ALSA+PulseAudio stack is upgraded to its intrepid
> counterpart, those users are still screwed.
>
> In other words, PulseAudio users gain nothing with this backport until
> alsa-lib and alsa-plugins are also backported so that libflashsupport
> can be removed.
>
> ALSA users should ensure they don't have an /etc/asound.conf or
> ~/.asoundrc, as using overridden definitions vastly complicates the
> error paths. And, of course, they shouldn't have libflashsupport
> installed.
>
> 64-bit users need to ensure nspluginwrapper and lib32asound2 remain
> installed.

nspluginwrapper IIRC has a few crashing bugs due npviewer (that may
not be right name but it looks right.) Daniel you had said to backport
flash and libflashsupport and that you would look at pulseaudio so
that is what we did, You might have meant for Gutsy but since
pulseaudio is a high enough version in Hardy we shouldnt have to
backport it from intrepid UNLESS you made major changes to pulseaudio
for Intrepid that were needed for Hardy and i dont remember seeing
much in the way of major changes for pulseaudio nor alsa-plugins (both
can be found in PPA) I cant remember what package alsa-libs was in
unles you meant like libpulse0 than most if not all are in pulseaudio
source package.
If those are needed they are done and ready to be pushed to Hardy but
i thought Daniel was working on them doing that however will only fix
it for gnome users since we are only ones using pulseaudio by default
and im sure kde users would want to keep using arts. I see no way of
helping with that.
Are we sure all these crashes are being caused by flash and not
something else? I havent seen any crash logs nor backtraces. It most
likely is.
As of the update to us about the backport in Hardy i decided i would
test myspace and i dont see any crashes and i had already tested
youtube. When i had tested before getting the ack for Hardy backports
i testeed youtube and flash home page (thinking these are most likely
gonna cause a crash).
Please make sure the crash isnt from 2+ vidoes playing at same time
and using back button Im fairly sure that is how you reproduce a long
time flash crash and no flash 10 doesn...

Scott did we pull flash 10 out of hardy backports?

Technically we didn't delete it, but replaced it with a Flash 9 with a higher version number:

10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~hardy1+really9.0.124.0ubuntu2

is 9.0.124.0ubuntu2

John,

As far as I know it got pulled due to instability. Although beta 1 was pretty stable (with the advantage of being more compatible with PulseAudio), beta 2 of Flash uses a lot of CPU and causes crashes with many common websites.

As for the crashes with beta 2 of Flash, it is actually a bug in Firefox's "windowless mode" support and not Flash itself. The issue is already fixed in upstream Firefox and is being tracked on Launchpad bug #239182. Resolving the windowless mode crashes won't help the high CPU usage, though.

Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Technically we didn't delete it, but replaced it with a Flash 9 with a
> higher version number:
>
> 10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~hardy1+really9.0.124.0ubuntu2
>
> is 9.0.124.0ubuntu2
>
>
Thanks i was wondering how you would do that. IIRC there was comments
about that in this bug

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    John Vivirito

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https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnVivirito
Linux User# 414246

Conn wrote:
> John,
>
> As far as I know it got pulled due to instability. Although beta 1 was
> pretty stable (with the advantage of being more compatible with
> PulseAudio), beta 2 of Flash uses a lot of CPU and causes crashes with
> many common websites.
>
> As for the crashes with beta 2 of Flash, it is actually a bug in
> Firefox's "windowless mode" support and not Flash itself. The issue is
> already fixed in upstream Firefox and is being tracked on Launchpad bug
> #239182. Resolving the windowless mode crashes won't help the high CPU
> usage, though.
>
>
I knew why we were pulling it. it was the did we pull it.

Scott sorry i posted this before talking with you on IRC

10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~hardy1+really9.0.124.0ubuntu2
This update changes the visualization of the flash animation (i.e. Any ad on the web, that was make with flash, have a thin black line on any animated layer).

Mauricio, this is not a bug report to post problems you are having with flash. Please open a separate bug report for your issue please.

Now that Flash 10 is in final, is there any plan to backport it to Hardy?

On 12/04/2008 10:56 PM, Ryan Ahearn wrote:
> Now that Flash 10 is in final, is there any plan to backport it to
> Hardy?
>
Yes there is we were talking about this yesterday.

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    John Vivirito

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"How can i get lost, if i have no where to go"
    -- Metallica from UnforgivenIII

Hope it comes back soon, because the current deb in backports pool causes trouble as it actually removes flash instead of updating it. ;-)

I just upgraded to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS and tried to install "flashplugin-nonfree".
The Adobe Flash 9 download aborted with an http 404 error. Seems like Adobe removed Flash 9 in from it's download servers. (Does this mean there's no Adobe Flash support in 8.04 LTS at the moment?)

On 12/28/2008 05:57 PM, Wolf G. Eggers wrote:
> I just upgraded to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS and tried to install "flashplugin-nonfree".
> The Adobe Flash 9 download aborted with an http 404 error. Seems like Adobe removed Flash 9 in from it's download servers. (Does this mean there's no Adobe Flash support in 8.04 LTS at the moment?)
>
Adobe uses same name tarball for all versions so the tarball they are
using now is for 10 but 9 had same name. There are bugs on this all
ready as i recall. Please give us time to get to it.

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The adobe-flashplugin does not work on amd64 systems. That's why the backported flashplugin-nonfree would be the only proper solution.

I took the hardy deb for flashplugin-nonfree from the gnomefreak ppa, it installed fine, and I can youtube to my heart's delight, but apt then tells me there's an update (the version in backports) and tries to update. I get the same "The Adobe Flash 9 download aborted with an http 404 error." error, but by that point it's removed the gnomefreak version and thinks that the backports version has been successfully installed so I have to remove it to re-install the gnomefreak edition.

That's why it is so important to redo the backport!
Can we expect that in the next time?

Don't know why but the undo-backport became a security fix now. Is it a new package and does it work again? Still it is only flash 9 as I see it.

Please backport flash 10 again! I cannot use 8.10, because the new dma system...

Where are we on this? I am going through the bugs i reported to try and get as many as i can closed.
This is a very old bug,

Gutsy is no longer supported.

Well Gutsy is not, but Hardy is. And as it is LTS and works better on old computers with ide hard and optical drive instead of the new sata ones, I think you can backport it.

This bug was fixed in the package flashplugin-nonfree - 10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~hardy1+really9.0.246.0ubuntu1

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flashplugin-nonfree (10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~hardy1+really9.0.246.0ubuntu1) hardy-security; urgency=low

  * Closes LP: #461773 - outdated backports package being used instead of
    updates/security version
    - Backports version is
      10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1~hardy1+really9.0.124.0ubuntu2 due to
      LP: #235135 which tried to backport amd64 to hardy

 -- Micah Gersten <email address hidden> Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:16:06 -0500

I dont see any reason to leave this open it is already in hardy

:06:50:41:. gnomefreak info flashplugin-nonfree hardy
.:06:50:48:. < ubottu> flashplugin-nonfree (source:
                                flashplugin-nonfree): Adobe Flash Player plugin
                                installer. In component multiverse, is
                                optional. Version
                                10.0.1.218+really9.0.260.0ubuntu1 (hardy),
                                package size 18 kB, installed size 164 kB (Only
                                available for i386 amd64 lpia)