Comment 132 for bug 527458

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04, Dmitrijs Ledkovs
<email address hidden> wrote:
> Here shutter needs to be running as a service/daemon. Can you keep it
> open on another virtual desktop and assign global shortcuts to do
> screenshots?

Don't understand, what you mean. I don't know if I could assign
shortcuts to a daemon and how the daemon could respond to them.

>> One finished syncing because I might want to shutdown my laptop (already
>> late to leave the office) and access that data later at home.
> File a bug against Ubuntu One. Cuase the only way to know that it has
> finished syncing files right now is to check the emblem on the file.

Don't see why to file a bug - it is ok that way. - Or do you mean it
should send an OSD message when finished (not sure if it doesn't do
that already)?

> We have NotifyOSD for those (and higher priority notification do push
> in front of chat notifications) the problem is that they fly away.

Yeah, that's the pitty with those - if I look away for 10 seconds
because getting a bite to eat or respond to a question of a collegue,
I already miss that. That's why I do not really consider those
messages.

> With your proposal it looks like each app should be able to create
> app-indicator on the fly and remove it after the message has been
> dealt with.

Yes, something like that. Keep the icons all in one menu (like the
me-menu you mentioned) but in message case show the icon next to the
menu separately. - Just an idea - TBD.

> Or have what you propose a "system menu" (similar to sound menu, Me
> Menu and Messaging Menu). But this system menu should not be visible
> unless it has some items to deal with.

Yes, but the menu should be visible always - so that I can click on it
also to look at the last messages (newest maybe on the top and on the
lower end a "more..." entry as last). If there are new messages the
menu should have another color (maybe yellow instead of gray) and the
new entries should also have that icon in front - just similar to a
mail inbox).

> Alternatively instead of adding yet another IndicatorMenu we can abuse
> the system menu / me menu =)

Please don't remove the system menu - that one is essential. The
me-menu could be iincorporated in the notifications menu by clicking
with the right mouse button as I consider the me-menu basically
configuration (beside the status message). That said, it does not take
more space than previously when the user name was displayed next to
the system menu icon. So I would keep it as a separate menu.

>> example if currently a syncing error that gets retried in a minute and
>> only if 3 retries failed then drop the sync error with a higher
>> priority). If then the user can decide for each application with what
>> priority a notification popup or sound should appear and for which only
> IMHO bad idea.... inconsistent and you will spend more time
> configuring then finding this useful.

In general for such questions: Everything should be configurable but
the defaults should be good to fit 90 % of what the users prefer. But
don't forget that interests or jobs of people might by very different.
There might be support- and sales guys doing mostly email, chat and
authors who write books first of all and don't want to be distracted
by instant messaging (so don't bother about the me menu).

> But Ubuntu One is not really a target here. Cause generally it works
> and in case of low batter / shut down it should block shut down or
> send notification e.g. "Low battery & Ubuntu One sync is in progress".
> If the user is not there the computer will shut down anyways =)

Don't worry about Ubuntu One here - it was a sample - if the internet
connection is down sure that sync is failing - seeing, that it is not
finished is completely sufficient.

>> an indicator in the system tray, the user can decide what is
>> important.
> Nah user doesn't need to decide anything =) cause I'm lazy and I don't
> want to learn what possibly can happen to my system and weather I how
> I want to find out about it.

Yes, the user is lazy, but you have to differ between the standard
person where ordering a book online at amazon is a challenge of at
least half an hour and between highly efficient and GTD oriented
people. If I get annoyed about innefficiency 3 times by the same thing
I am going to change it if I can.

Of course, setting up my work PC is not just doing the default install
and that's it. E.g. I have a strongly configured compiz with mouse and
keyboard shortcuts. All the applications from my panel also have
keyboard shortcuts. Depending on current position of hand (mouse or
keyboard) there is always a fastest way to get e.g. to firefox. And
depending on the current task I am using more keyboard or more mouse.

> Skype should be integrated into messeging menu and that's it. I do not
> want to spend my time figuring out whether I want separate icons for
> xchat, telepathy, skype & gwibber.

By default they could be integrated, but I know people who strictly
separate applications - e.g. use Skype for private and MSN for
business IM. You have some fixed idea of how the UI should be because
you think you know how people work and think. But the point is: People
are very different, work in a very different manner and have very
different jobs and focus. I have seen very weird things, believe me,
but when trying to change people's behaviour you often find out that
their behaviour was for good reason (not saying, that their workflow
couldn't be improved).

> I just want one place to change my
> status (MeMenu) & one place to click on to open any of the pending
> chats (Messeging Menu)

There are people who want to set different status for different IM
applications. Anyway I would also prefer to change it just once so by
changing status through me-menu should change it everywhere. But this
should not mean that I can't set the status differently in another IM
application if I like.

> You have way to many icons in your panel..... Have you thought of
> using gnome-do or netbook launcher by any chance?

Yes I tried gnome-do and I don't like it. The icons are perfectly for
me. If I would have more space maybe they would be even more. ;-) -
Having an icon within the view with hotkeys in the tooltip is
following the KISS principle and working perfectly. In Windows times I
had those icons on the desktop and guess what: I stopped that on
Ubuntu because it is simply too much work for me to click on the all
minimize button to get to the desktop. Simply cne click too much.

> to type shortcut and 1-3 characters to get any of my frequently used applications.

typing 1-3 characters is way too complicated and I could make a typo.
I have talked to a software designer who told me once: Everything that
is more than two clicks away is already too complicated to reach. I
would say: Two clicks or two keys.

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Martin Wildam