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Bug #389176
Comment #64

Comment 64 for bug 389176

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Loïc Martin (loic-martin3) wrote on 2009-07-22: Re: [Bug 389176] Re: Have the file-roller automatically extract an archive on double click

#64

David Siegel wrote:
> "The majority of users would use right-click." I don't disbelieve you,
> but do you have data that shows this?

More data than your mother and grandmother at least, but still you
considered the foster valid enough for the discussion. As for
right-click, yes, people that spend more than a few minutes in front of
a computer learn really fast to right-click when they're not sure what
the action is going to be. Mind you, my classes amount to a few hundred
students over the years. And yes, they have to deal with archive, since
that's how they get the matters for the lessons.

What about on netbooks? What
> about users of Ubuntu on Apple hardware (ignoring them because they
> are a minority is not prudent).

What about users with no mouse (ignoring them because they are a
minority is not prudent)?

The whole Gnome desktop uses the right click button, ignoring this fact
because it doesn't go along with the behavior one would personally
prefer won't change that. Please seek a desktop environment that only
make use of a single mouse button, or try changing that upstream with
Gnome (but that would be a huge undertaking).

> Please stay on topic. If you'd like to discuss update manager changes,
> seek those discussions in their apprpriate places. If you'd like to
> accuse me of lying about user testing, please email me directly, or
> contact my boss (~ivanka).

You don't answer my concerns. And you're the one that put the word
"lying" in the discussion. Getting on your high horse won't bring much
more to the discussion than what you've brought this far. And I don't
see why I'd care to speak to you boss, your dad, or whoever else, I
wasn't planning to asking you to a prom.

Changing the default behavior of Ubuntu for the sake of "testing"
doesn't hold up at all. You test _before_ you propose a change, and you
submit data _before_ advocating for that change. So far, we haven't seen
any, and have to come with our own data, which shows the behavior you're
advocating is harmful at best.

On the other hand, you don't respond to any of the points in my post,
nor did you to any of the post pointing the problems that behavior is
going to cause. Asking us to "test it", then, when we do it, labeling
the feedback you don't like as coming from experienced users doesn't
sound right.

David Siegel wrote:
> "The majority of users would use right-click." I don't disbelieve you,  
> but do you have data that shows this?

More data than your mother and grandmother at least, but still you 
considered the foster valid enough for the discussion. As for 
right-click, yes, people that spend more than a few minutes in front of 
a computer learn really fast to right-click when they're not sure what 
the action is going to be. Mind you, my classes amount to a few hundred 
students over the years. And yes, they have to deal with archive, since 
that's how they get the matters for the lessons.

What about on netbooks? What
> about users of Ubuntu on Apple hardware (ignoring them because they  
> are a minority is not prudent).

What about users with no mouse (ignoring them because they are a 
minority is not prudent)?

The whole Gnome desktop uses the right click button, ignoring this fact 
because it doesn't go along with the behavior one would personally 
prefer won't change that. Please seek a desktop environment that only 
make use of a single mouse button, or try changing that upstream with 
Gnome (but that would be a huge undertaking).

> Please stay on topic. If you'd like to discuss update manager changes,  
> seek those discussions in their apprpriate places. If you'd like to  
> accuse me of lying about user testing, please email me directly, or  
> contact my boss (~ivanka).

You don't answer my concerns. And you're the one that put the word 
"lying" in the discussion. Getting on your high horse won't bring much 
more to the discussion than what you've brought this far. And I don't 
see why I'd care to speak to you boss, your dad, or whoever else, I 
wasn't planning to asking you to a prom.

Changing the default behavior of Ubuntu for the sake of "testing" 
doesn't hold up at all. You test _before_ you propose a change, and you 
submit data _before_ advocating for that change. So far, we haven't seen 
any, and have to come with our own data, which shows the behavior you're 
advocating is harmful at best.

On the other hand, you don't respond to any of the points in my post, 
nor did you to any of the post pointing the problems that behavior is 
going to cause. Asking us to "test it", then, when we do it, labeling 
the feedback you don't like as coming from experienced users doesn't 
sound right.