Empathy

Bug #296867
Comment #190

Comment 190 for bug 296867

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In freedesktop.org Bugzilla #16891, Sam Liddicott (sam-liddicott) wrote on 2014-04-30: Re: [Bug 296867]

#190

Disturbingly that applies as much to Monsanto as it does to Ubuntu or FOSS.
On 30 Apr 2014 07:15, "James Cuzella" <email address hidden> wrote:

> Complaints show fear, anger & ungratefulness while calm feature requests
> show peace, gratefulness & understanding of a problem.
>
> Community giving of FOSS shows kindness & compassion, while taking &
> complaining shows an unsatisfied desire for control.
>
> True control lies in harmonising with the community, and paradoxically
> involves letting go of your need for control while also giving the part
> which is under your control.
>
> Heartbleed shows inherent insecurity of a house divided against itself....
> yet it also shows the speed of the Whole to heal itself.
>
> Privacy is an illusion... security built on deterministic Laws has little
> room for true randomness without hiding within Complexity. The appearance
> of randomness is Chaos, yet within the chaos lies a higher Order.
>
> No matter which side you think you are on... you're actually on both, and
> they are not truly opposed when undivided.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Sam Liddicott <email address hidden>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm feed up of people complaining about people complaining about wilful
> bad
> > security.
> >
> > This is doubly so considering all the criticism that has gone the way of
> > the OpenSSL people in the wake of Heartbleed.
> >
> > A little more discussion there might have helped, but here it obviously
> > hasn't!
> >
> > When someone gives their time and experience to improve software designs
> > from fatal flaws, often in the evenings with other distractions, they get
> > next to no gratitude and a whole heap of criticism as if their drawing
> > attention to the flaw is worse than the flaw itself.
> >
> > Free software doesn't stop people talking about the naked emperor.
> >
> > If they are not government spies and but just play at spies in their
> > evenings (with other distractions) then that is fine, but if they then
> make
> > a public gift of it can they really expect people to not talk about it?
> >
> > They don't buy our silence with their wooden horse!
> >
> > We don't use it and we warn others. We actually care about their users!
> >
> > Sam
> > On 28 Apr 2014 18:55, "Chris Kerr" <email address hidden> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm fed up of people complaining about developers. It's *free
> software*,
> > > and if you get anything more than you paid for then you should be
> > > grateful (I certainly am).
> > >
> > > This is doubly so considering all the criticism that has gone the way
> of
> > > the OpenSSL people in the wake of Heartbleed. When someone gives their
> > > best effort to produce software as a gift to the community, often
> > > working in spare evenings with lots of other distractions which prevent
> > > them giving their full focus to the task, they get next to no praise
> > > when it works and a whole heap of criticism when they make a tiny
> > > mistake. People even accuse them of deliberately inserting the mistake
> > > as a government spy.
> > >
> > > I'm currently writing up my PhD thesis. When I finish, I will have some
> > > free time while waiting for my viva voce, and would be willing to spend
> > > some of that time trying to fix this, as it is something I would find
> > > useful myself and potentially also a helpful addition to my CV. However
> > > there are probably plenty of people out there who would do a better job
> > > than I, especially since I have mainly used Fortran and Python for the
> > > last 4 years so my C/C++ is rather rusty.
> > >
> > > --
> > > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the
> bug
> > > report.
> > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/296867
> > >
> > > Title:
> > > empathy needs to support OTR encryption
> > >
> > > To manage notifications about this bug go to:
> > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/empathy/+bug/296867/+subscriptions
> > >
> >
> > --
> > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
> > report.
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/296867
> >
> > Title:
> > empathy needs to support OTR encryption
> >
> > To manage notifications about this bug go to:
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/empathy/+bug/296867/+subscriptions
> >
>
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> You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
> report.
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>
> Title:
> empathy needs to support OTR encryption
>
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Disturbingly that applies as much to Monsanto as it does to Ubuntu or FOSS.
On 30 Apr 2014 07:15, "James Cuzella" <TrinitronX@gmail.com> wrote:

> Complaints show fear, anger & ungratefulness while calm feature requests
> show peace, gratefulness & understanding of a problem.
>
> Community giving of FOSS shows kindness & compassion, while taking &
> complaining shows an unsatisfied desire for control.
>
> True control lies in harmonising with the community, and paradoxically
> involves letting go of your need for control while also giving the part
> which is under your control.
>
> Heartbleed shows inherent insecurity of a house divided against itself....
> yet it also shows the speed of the Whole to heal itself.
>
> Privacy is an illusion... security built on deterministic Laws has little
> room for true randomness without hiding within Complexity.  The appearance
> of randomness is Chaos, yet within the chaos lies a higher Order.
>
> No matter which side you think you are on... you're actually on both, and
> they are not truly opposed when undivided.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Sam Liddicott <sam@liddicott.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm feed up of people complaining about people complaining about wilful
> bad
> > security.
> >
> > This is doubly so considering all the criticism that has gone the way of
> > the OpenSSL people in the wake of Heartbleed.
> >
> > A little more discussion there might have helped, but here it obviously
> > hasn't!
> >
> > When someone gives their time and experience to improve software designs
> > from fatal flaws, often in the evenings with other distractions, they get
> > next to no gratitude and a whole heap of criticism as if their drawing
> > attention to the flaw is worse  than the flaw itself.
> >
> > Free software doesn't stop people talking about the naked emperor.
> >
> > If they are not  government spies and but just play at spies in their
> > evenings (with other distractions) then that is fine, but if they then
> make
> > a public gift of it can they really expect people to not talk about it?
> >
> > They don't buy our silence with their wooden horse!
> >
> > We don't use it and we warn others. We actually care about their users!
> >
> > Sam
> > On 28 Apr 2014 18:55, "Chris Kerr" <gingekerr@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm fed up of people complaining about developers. It's *free
> software*,
> > > and if you get anything more than you paid for then you should be
> > > grateful (I certainly am).
> > >
> > > This is doubly so considering all the criticism that has gone the way
> of
> > > the OpenSSL people in the wake of Heartbleed. When someone gives their
> > > best effort to produce software as a gift to the community, often
> > > working in spare evenings with lots of other distractions which prevent
> > > them giving their full focus to the task, they get next to no praise
> > > when it works and a whole heap of criticism when they make a tiny
> > > mistake. People even accuse them of deliberately inserting the mistake
> > > as a government spy.
> > >
> > > I'm currently writing up my PhD thesis. When I finish, I will have some
> > > free time while waiting for my viva voce, and would be willing to spend
> > > some of that time trying to fix this, as it is something I would find
> > > useful myself and potentially also a helpful addition to my CV. However
> > > there are probably plenty of people out there who would do a better job
> > > than I, especially since I have mainly used Fortran and Python for the
> > > last 4 years so my C/C++ is rather rusty.
> > >
> > > --
> > > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the
> bug
> > > report.
> > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/296867
> > >
> > > Title:
> > >   empathy needs to support OTR encryption
> > >
> > > To manage notifications about this bug go to:
> > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/empathy/+bug/296867/+subscriptions
> > >
> >
> > --
> > You received this bug notification because you are subscribed to the bug
> > report.
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/296867
> >
> > Title:
> >   empathy needs to support OTR encryption
> >
> > To manage notifications about this bug go to:
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/empathy/+bug/296867/+subscriptions
> >
>
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>
> Title:
>   empathy needs to support OTR encryption
>
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