Add search plugin for Baidu

Chris, I'm assigning to you because I believe you were interested in this? Feel free to unassign/reassign.

It's important for these users to get a search engine that actually works for them.

Accepted language-pack-zh-hans into lucid-proposed, the package will build now and be available in a few hours. Please test and give feedback here. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation how to enable and use -proposed. Thank you in advance!

I've tested it, and installing the language pack adds baidu as a search engine, and it works as expected.

Thank you!

It is funny. Should Ubuntu add a stuff which China user never use and dislike? If answer is Yes, alright, it passed. I am done.

You can see a lots of posts curse Baidu in Chinese linux forum. Most Windows Firefox users don't use Baidu, and Linux users around me is 100%.

>Baidu is the leading search engine in China (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63R5YM20100429) and growing given Google's departure from China.
I really don't agree, Baidu can win Google in China , because China government and Baidu are "friends", Google just don't want to be evil. You can search "google quit china" to know more about.

>It will return results that are more targeted and relevant to users based in China.
Everyone in China know, Baidu'is page rank algorithm is ”Bid Ranking“, it mean, you can buy ranking, also you can "buy" to delete negative news(search "baidu sanlu milk powder 3 million" know more about).

So, please remove it. Here is a bug, Mozilla add something China user dislike and without asking China users.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=542689

Hi, I'm a Chinese Ubuntu user, and for me, I have no problem with if this is for OEM purpose, but I really do _not_ want Baidu would be my default search engine for general Maverick Chinese version.

I do *not* agree with baidu as default search engine.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Ray Wang <email address hidden> wrote:
> Hi, I'm a Chinese Ubuntu user, and for me, I have no problem with if
> this is for OEM purpose, but I really do _not_ want Baidu would be my
> default search engine for general Maverick Chinese version.
>
> --
> Add search plugin for Baidu
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578281
> You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
> Simplified Chinese Translators, which is subscribed to language-pack-zh-
> hans in ubuntu.
>
> Status in “language-pack-zh-hans” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed
> Status in “language-pack-zh-hans” source package in Lucid: Fix Committed
> Status in “language-pack-zh-hans” source package in Maverick: Confirmed
>
> Bug description:
> Binary package hint: ubufox
>
> Baidu is the leading search engine in China (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63R5YM20100429) and growing given Google's departure from China.  It will return results that are more targeted and relevant to users based in China.
>
> I'm attaching a search plugin xml file for Baidu, generated using some information from OEM Service's communications with Baidu and looking at the suggestion info used in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/9184/
>
> The suggestion bit works, but not quick enough to suggest as you type...  If you type something in (>= 4 chars) and later backspace, you'll see the cached suggestion results that FF received.  Not sure if I did something wrong or if it's just slow.
>
> Baidu told OEM Services that their name is natively spelled 百度一下 so I used that.  Baidu's site is not translated into English, so I don't see a compelling reason for the name to be the Englishy "Baidu" instead of what a native speaker would presumably prefer.
>
> This also uses Ubuntu's Baidu ID for searches (the cl=3&tn=ubuntuu_cb bit).
>
> Just drop the attached plugin into the searchplugins folder in ubufox.
>
>
>

--
YunQiang Su

IMO. Any none-newbie Linux users would deny baidu as default search engine.

Why baidu is not acceptable? For few reasons listed below,

1. It is EVIL. must see the followings.
2. Nearly everything it do are EVIL. It have all google products/relative
clones without considering others IP, and allow people to copy then reserved
the copyright of those belong to others ( like baidu baike
http://baike.baidu.com/ have its basement articles ripped off wikipedia)
3. It taught people to be EVIL. It promoted illegal music downloads, make
money from price-set-based advertising without considering the users safety,
for example, they do block news/articles of anti-human activities
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal for those "paid
strategic customer".
4. The result it returns are inaccurate for study purpose; or said excepting
entertainment purpose search, it is useless.

So, leave it alone, Baidu should never blind the people.

On 21 July 2010 02:49, YunQiang Su <email address hidden> wrote:

> I do *not* agree with baidu as default search engine.
>
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Ray Wang <email address hidden> wrote:
> > Hi, I'm a Chinese Ubuntu user, and for me, I have no problem with if
> > this is for OEM purpose, but I really do _not_ want Baidu would be my
> > default search engine for general Maverick Chinese version.
> >
> > --
> > Add search plugin for Baidu
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578281
> > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
> > Simplified Chinese Translators, which is subscribed to language-pack-zh-
> > hans in ubuntu.
> >
> > Status in “language-pack-zh-hans” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed
> > Status in “language-pack-zh-hans” source package in Lucid: Fix Committed
> > Status in “language-pack-zh-hans” source package in Maverick: Confirmed
> >
> > Bug description:
> > Binary package hint: ubufox
> >
> > Baidu is the leading search engine in China (
> http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63R5YM20100429) and growing given
> Google's departure from China. It will return results that are more
> targeted and relevant to users based in China.
> >
> > I'm attaching a search plugin xml file for Baidu, generated using some
> information from OEM Service's communications with Baidu and looking at the
> suggestion info used in
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/9184/
> >
> > The suggestion bit works, but not quick enough to suggest as you type...
> If you type something in (>= 4 chars) and later backspace, you'll see the
> cached suggestion results that FF received. Not sure if I did something
> wrong or if it's just slow.
> >
> > Baidu told OEM Services that their name is natively spelled 百度一下 so I
> used that. Baidu's site is not translated into English, so I don't see a
> compelling reason for the name to be the Englishy "Baidu" instead of what a
> native speaker would presumably prefer.
> >
> > This also uses Ubuntu's Baidu ID for searches (the cl=3&tn=ubuntuu_cb
> bit).
> >
> > Just drop the attached plugin into the searchplugins folder in ubufox.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> YunQiang Su
>
> --
> Add search plugin for Baidu
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578281
...

Hi, I am a Ubuntu user in China.
I am strongly against that set Baidu as default search engine.
Baidu is evil as well as less effective&efficient.
--
It is the time you have spent for your rose that makes your rose so
important.

Hi, all,

First of all I would like to thank Chris Coulson for his work.

However, Chris is not Chinese therefore Chris may not know the real fact in China. (I have no offend)

In fact more than 50% Chinese user dislike Baidu.

If Ubuntu use Baidu as default search engine, then some Ubuntu users will stop using Ubuntu, and go to use Fedora.

I am a Chinese Ubuntu user, I against use Baidu as default search engine -- you can add it anyway, but make it default is not acceptable.

Like Homer Xing said, more than 50% Chinese users dislike Baidu. (I think "Chinese users" means "Chinese Ubuntu user", 50% is not the real case, I think the number will be 95%+ or more.)

Maybe Baidu have a little higher market share in China, but anyone knows how it gains the market share?
- Through adware, spyware
- As a gift from the great f**king wall -- many new computer users can not stand frequent "Connection Reset" from Google's result, Baidu never been "reset", because it filter the search result.

In a country that Google is partially disabled(http://www.google.com/prc/report.html#hl=en), some computer user force to use baidu.

Baidu did know Chinese language in some ways -- actually I don't think it is any better than Google by my personal experience; but it doesn't know English at all. Many Ubuntu related problem are resolved only in English, Baidu don't know that.

Baidu's search results sometimes depend how much money the website pays it!!!!! Some website experienced all the web page result removed from baidu, just because they reject Baidu's "竞价排行", which means who pays more on keyword, who could be list before others in search result(YES, in SEARCH RESULT, NOT in ADs!).

If the tragedy that baidu becomes the default search Engine, I would choose to not use Chinese language as my default language.

English UI is OK for me. But, baidu as a default search engine is not acceptable.

Hi, I'm a Chinese Ubuntu user.

Actually I've been using Baidu for about four years, but since I met Ubuntu, I never use it again, just because its EVIL and STUPID actions as what they said above. Aslo I know few Linux users use Baidu, it is always useless for Linux user. If we found Baidu in our browser, we never use it; even if it was the default search engine for our browser, we remove it.

Baidu sucks! Baidu makes users stupid!

Sincerely!

I hate Baidu,It's not a right search engine,It will sell everybody out. Don't trust it..

I've been using Ubuntu for almost 5 years, and I think Ubuntu always stands for high quality and easy to use. I think Baidu is just on the opposite side. Its search engine is far from useful. For most of the keywords. Relevant results are intentionally mixed with ads. Its contents are also censored and and filtered to cater that totalitarian government. I can hardly understand why this would be a bug instead of a feature to NOT having baidu as one of the search engine.

I'm a old ubuntu user from Breezy, and I promise: if ubuntu set baidu to the default search engine, I will delete ubuntu from my hard disk immediately.

Baidu is just a bilker,Chinese users never use Baidu because baidu usually doesn't give us the real result.
It is Google that suits Chinese more than badui

As a Ubuntu user in China, I do *not* want any of Baidu's services into Ubuntu, let alone Baidu as default search engine. If so, I will not upgrade Ubuntu anymore, even I will use other alternative Linux distributions like Gentoo or Fedora.

In China, only Muggles using Windows use Baidu. Linux guys always use Google, and we will never ever use Baidu.

"It's important for these users to get a search engine that actually works for them."
But Baidu never works for Chinese Ubuntu user,they just work for money!!!!!!
I'm really against setting Baidu as default search engine

I can accept Baidu to be added to the search engine list. But NOT the default one.

Though Baidu is one of two most widely used search engines in China, but Google is more frequently used by Linux users. I think most Ubuntu users will choose Google

Baidu is useless, it gets market share and beat Google in China just because it uses adware/virus software to promote its search engine, and block access to Google by incorporate with the Chinese government.

Set Baidu as default search engine is also against the philosophy behind Ubuntu project, which should be open and available to others, affirming of others, does not feel threatened that others are able and good. Baidu is not openness, not helpful, not good and is a threat to the free culture.

I think www.google.com.hk is batter~

Hi all. As a user in China, I would be happy to see Baidu in the list of search engines, but I won't make it my default. It is true Baidu specifically targets at Chinese users, and it has a greater market share. But generally "advanced" users tend to use Google much more. AFAIK, one important reason why a majority of Chinese users use Baidu rather than Google is that "Google" is difficult to pronounce and spell for users whose native language is Chinese and who don't know English well. For Ubuntu users, this obviously is not the case. The pronunciation of "Ubuntu" is even more difficult.

Michael mentioned the departure of Google from China. Actually, Google still has its subsidiary in Beijing. They merely removed all their servers from mainland China, and redirect google.cn to google.com.hk. Their service in Chinese is not discontinued. The only problem is that connection may get reset if you search for, or the result contains, something the government considers "sensitive". For this reason, I add "Baidu" to my list of search engines, but it's not the default. I only use it when the f**king firewall resets my connection with Google.

I strongly disagree to make Baidu as default. For a Ubuntu user in China, Baidu, for the most time, is *useless*. Baidu does know better in some aspect, but most Linux users won't need in this aspect too much. Baidu do not know well about technology, especially Linux-related ones, and do not know English, in which language much more valuable information may be provided. And more ads and garbages will be returned by Baidu, as Baidu is too popular to return 'unpopular' useful info (hope you can understand what I mean). Google is doing well enough.

You can add Baidu, as some newbies will like to use it, but please do *not* make it as default, because this would take a huge number of people some time to change their default search engine.

I'd like to say, the searching engine of Baidu seldom gives useful information while a lot of advertisements and fake information are given. It is because the Chinese government and Baidu itself control the searching result. I've tried Baidu before, but as my experience, google is more useful and become better and better. Therefore, I agree the Baidu searching engine to be an option, but NOT the default. Google is the best.

In fact,I usually call Baidu as Spare tire.I think this name is suitable for it.

>-- >Add search plugin for Baidu >https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578281 >You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu >China Users, which is a direct subscriber. > >Status in “language-pack-zh-hans” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed >Status in “language-pack-zh-hans” source package in Lucid: Fix Committed >Status in “language-pack-zh-hans” source package in Maverick: Confirmed > >Bug description: >Binary package hint: ubufox > >Baidu is the leading search engine in China (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63R5YM20100429) and growing given Google's departure from China. It will return results that are more targeted and relevant to users based in China. > >I'm attaching a search plugin xml file for Baidu, generated using some information from OEM Service's communications with Baidu and looking at the suggestion info used in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/9184/ > >The suggestion bit works, but not quick enough to suggest as you type... If you type something in (>= 4 chars) and later backspace, you'll see the cached suggestion results that FF received. Not sure if I did something wrong or if it's just slow. > >Baidu told OEM Services that their name is natively spelled 百度一下 so I used that. Baidu's site is not translated into English, so I don't see a compelling reason for the name to be the Englishy "Baidu" instead of what a native speaker would presumably prefer. > >This also uses Ubuntu's Baidu ID for searches (the cl=3&tn=ubuntuu_cb bit). > >Just drop the attached plugin into the searchplugins folder in ubufox. > >

Add baidu as a search plugin?

C'mon, I even rather chosse Youdao (http://youdao.com)

Botu

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 1:56 PM, tenzu <email address hidden> wrote:
> I'd like to say, the searching engine of Baidu seldom gives useful
> information while a lot of advertisements and fake information are
> given. It is because the Chinese government and Baidu itself control the
> searching result. I've tried Baidu before, but as my experience, google
> is more useful and become better and better. Therefore, I agree the
> Baidu searching engine to be an option, but NOT the default. Google is
> the best.
>
> --
> Add search plugin for Baidu
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578281
> You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
> Simplified Chinese Translators, which is subscribed to language-pack-zh-
> hans in ubuntu.
>

I signed up for Launchpad just to reply to this thread so that I can vote against Baidu.

Although I no longer use Ubuntu as my desktop OS (my server is still powered by it), I root against setting Baidu as the _default_ search engine for it. Others have said enough about the evilness of this distasteful company in this thread, and I agree with most of them. I would cringe if the inferior technologies of Baidu becomes the default, which, if realised, would reflect the misjudgment and poor taste of the Ubuntu community.

Forget it... I hate baidu.

I think the ubuntu users will not like baidu.Because Baidu is not for professional. especially LINUX users.Ubuntu and Baidu have different user base.

I can find many users write blogs about Linux on their baidu space. Many people use baidu when google is not available, which happens frequently. And baidu afterall does provide useful search results, adding this is a good thing. Since "default choice" brings real money, it should be discussed elsewhere.

To #34:
You should know search engine is much different from blogs just like Baidu Space.
Can the-default-search-engine-baidu bring you real money? Are you nuts?

I am strongly against that set Baidu as search engine.
Baidu,the disappointing Search Engine!

Ray Wang [2010-07-20 16:31 -0000]:
> I really do _not_ want Baidu would be my default search engine for
> general Maverick Chinese version.

I would have assumed that the point of this bug was to add the search
engine to the list, not make it the default? (Especially not on lucid
updates, which would be against the SRU policy and spirit)

Yes, there are no plans to change the default in Lucid, we're only adding the plugin to the list of available search plugins

good to be included. ugly to be default.

No!
Linux, come from the free world. Baidu, just a lackey of PRC GOV.
Thanks god, No Baidu in Linux!!

If you add Baidu as default search engine in Chinese version of Ubuntu, Please add White House as the default home page in English version!

--
James Weng (the guy come from PRC)

百度公司太会做广告了.

搞的我今天邮箱里都是这个消息.

太晕了

Anyway I don't think that is a serious problem...If you hate Baidu,Just delete it after update.

Adding an optional Baidu search plugin is okay with Chinese locale. I'm sorry for misunderstanding...
but I bet it's worthless...

I'm with G.S.Alex.

It's better to have more choices, but please don't set baidu as default search engine.

What other people complaining about baidu may be true, however i don't think that will change the fact that baidu is one of the biggest search engines in Chinese world.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Ray Wang <email address hidden> wrote:

> Adding an optional Baidu search plugin is okay with Chinese locale. I'm
> sorry for misunderstanding...
> but I bet it's worthless...
>
We can't ignore that Baidu's marketing share is higher than 70% in China.
And I think most of FLOSS fans/advocate are trying to help/persuade *real
end users* to migrate from Windows to Linux, then if we can provide them the
same experience as they have under windows will be much more helpful, and
any kind of effort similar to this one should be encouraged and awarded.
BTW, personally, I seldom use Baidu

>
> --
> Add search plugin for Baidu
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578281
> You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
> Simplified Chinese Translators, which is subscribed to language-pack-zh-
> hans in ubuntu.
>
> Status in “language-pack-zh-hans” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed
> Status in “language-pack-zh-hans” source package in Lucid: Fix Committed
> Status in “language-pack-zh-hans” source package in Maverick: Confirmed
>
> Bug description:
> Binary package hint: ubufox
>
> Baidu is the leading search engine in China (
> http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63R5YM20100429) and growing given
> Google's departure from China. It will return results that are more
> targeted and relevant to users based in China.
>
> I'm attaching a search plugin xml file for Baidu, generated using some
> information from OEM Service's communications with Baidu and looking at the
> suggestion info used in
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/9184/
>
> The suggestion bit works, but not quick enough to suggest as you type...
> If you type something in (>= 4 chars) and later backspace, you'll see the
> cached suggestion results that FF received. Not sure if I did something
> wrong or if it's just slow.
>
> Baidu told OEM Services that their name is natively spelled 百度一下 so I used
> that. Baidu's site is not translated into English, so I don't see a
> compelling reason for the name to be the Englishy "Baidu" instead of what a
> native speaker would presumably prefer.
>
> This also uses Ubuntu's Baidu ID for searches (the cl=3&tn=ubuntuu_cb bit).
>
> Just drop the attached plugin into the searchplugins folder in ubufox.
>
>
>

Baidu is just as notorious as Windows in enthusiastic Linux users' eyes.
If you want to give somebody something new, give them something completely new.
Any form of imitating or, in a different sense, flattering will make you lose more than you get.

Maybe it is not safe for Ubuntu to add Baidu?
If Baidu reporting every search to Chinese goverment and results in Ubuntu users getting arrested and tortured?

Better have http://www.google.com.hk/

Lol. Add it as a search engine not the default one!
Envoyé à partir de mon HTC

----- Message d'origine -----
De: Fred <email address hidden>
Env: mercredi 21 juillet 2010 16:58
À: <email address hidden>
Objet: [Bug 578281] Re: Add search plugin for Baidu

Maybe it is not safe for Ubuntu to add Baidu?
If Baidu reporting every search to Chinese goverment and results in Ubuntu users getting arrested and tortured?

Better have http://www.google.com.hk/

--
Add search plugin for Baidu
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578281
You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
China Users, which is a direct subscriber.

I will write my point in Chinese.

1、我很长时间没有用过“百度”“baidu.com”
2、即使是google.com.hk我都很少用。
3、"百度"“baidu.com”搜索不到东西。
4、不要成为“坏人”的帮凶。

----------Next is translation----
1 I have not used "baidu.com" for long time.
2 even google.com.hk, i rarely use it.
3 nothing can be searched by baidu.com
4 Do not be evil

if you do this, i have no choice but *rm -rf /*

Why you do not add YAHOO as your default search plugin?

What are you afraid of?

Why do this time you dare to add Baidu?

How much dose Baidu payed for this?

@zhangning,
Please not flood this bug, if you want to express your emotion please say them out in a single comment, and don't change the title as whatever you want but probably not suitable. Thanks.

Dear Fellow Chinese Ubuntu Users,

I know all of you hate Baidu. Please calm down, since I don't think it's
worthy for you to delete Ubuntu regarding to Baidu.

Honestly and objectively speaking, the users of Baidu are much more than
that of Google in China. However, almost all of Linux users are using
Google. Many CS-related people are using Google as well, but there is a
large number of those who mainly use Baidu.

I am a 100% Linux user (there's no Windows in my hard drive). I use
Google at most time. In some special cases I use Baidu, e.g., I want to
get the results in Chinese while I search in English.

My parents use Baidu. Many of my non-CS friends use Baidu. I am not
willing to persuade them to use Google instead, like I seldom persuade
someone to use Linux, because they are used to what they are using.

I think adding Baidu into the list is a good idea. Not making Baidu the
default is also a good idea, because if the users encounter Linux
problems, Google will help them much well than Baidu.

Thanks,
Chunhao

On Tue, 2010-07-20 at 11:44 +0000, Launchpad Bug Tracker wrote:
> You have been subscribed to a public bug:
>
> Binary package hint: ubufox
>
> Baidu is the leading search engine in China
> (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63R5YM20100429) and growing given
> Google's departure from China. It will return results that are more
> targeted and relevant to users based in China.
>
> I'm attaching a search plugin xml file for Baidu, generated using some
> information from OEM Service's communications with Baidu and looking at
> the suggestion info used in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-
> US/firefox/addon/9184/
>
> The suggestion bit works, but not quick enough to suggest as you type...
> If you type something in (>= 4 chars) and later backspace, you'll see
> the cached suggestion results that FF received. Not sure if I did
> something wrong or if it's just slow.
>
> Baidu told OEM Services that their name is natively spelled 百度一下 so I
> used that. Baidu's site is not translated into English, so I don't see
> a compelling reason for the name to be the Englishy "Baidu" instead of
> what a native speaker would presumably prefer.
>
> This also uses Ubuntu's Baidu ID for searches (the cl=3&tn=ubuntuu_cb
> bit).
>
> Just drop the attached plugin into the searchplugins folder in ubufox.
>
> ** Affects: language-pack-zh-hans (Ubuntu)
> Importance: High
> Assignee: Chris Coulson (chrisccoulson)
> Status: Confirmed
>
> ** Affects: language-pack-zh-hans (Ubuntu Lucid)
> Importance: High
> Assignee: Chris Coulson (chrisccoulson)
> Status: Confirmed
>
> ** Affects: language-pack-zh-hans (Ubuntu Maverick)
> Importance: High
> Assignee: Chris Coulson (chrisccoulson)
> Status: Confirmed
>

@Chunhao Wang
and dear esteemed ubuntu developers:

Does the word "ubuntu" mean differently to you, esteemed ubuntu developers, compared to your humble users?

Haven't you read the news about fake medicines baidu helped promote and shared lucrative profits from ?
http://www.cnbeta.com/articles/117080.htm
http://www.taoguba.com.cn/Article/331146/1
Haven't you known that it is not the first time they did something evil and this time would never be their last time?
Don't you think promote fake medicines and medical advices already cross the border of sins but rather fell into vicious felonies?

Haven't you realized that it is not only your righteous right but also your sacred obligation to shut doors' to baidu, a notorious hooligan and heartless bitch?

Haven't you realized how easily you can achieve "ubuntu" by just ignoring their plea?
Haven't you realized that you could and you really can save lives by just fXXking baidu away?

Does more users mean more to you than your current users' lives, health and safety?

Do you really want your beloved parents, your beloved non-CS friends to become the next horrible victims of baidu's fraud commercials?

Do you really think that baidu held no responsibility in all these wrongful deeds?
Do you really think that in any ways your help for baidu could truly help ubuntu users?

I personally do not "hate", as you wrongfully described, baidu as a company, I "hate" baidu as a hooligan, a murder, a liar, a cheater, a money eating zombie, among other things.

I know nothing about what others might think. but as for me, if you insist put something evil into ubuntu pack, weed-dealers' addresses are better in my humble opinion.

regards,

Oh, c'mon

As you say in the mail, the great percent user of Ubuntu use Google, then why we add Baidu?

Yeah, some guys prefer Baidu as their search engine, but is there any releationship between us?

Those guys maybe never know what's linux or Ubuntu at all, include your parents.

Add Baidu as a search plugin wouldn't be a technical problem, but the philosophy of Baidu goes against Ubuntu's or Linux's.

If we didn’t' do some thing to prevent, then Chinese people will only have one choise, that's not what all we want to see.

-----Original Message-----
From: <email address hidden> [mailto:<email address hidden>] On Behalf Of Chunhao Wang
Sent: 2010年7月22日 13:14
To: <email address hidden>
Subject: Re: [Bug 578281] [NEW] Add search plugin for Baidu

Dear Fellow Chinese Ubuntu Users,

I know all of you hate Baidu. Please calm down, since I don't think it's worthy for you to delete Ubuntu regarding to Baidu.

Honestly and objectively speaking, the users of Baidu are much more than that of Google in China. However, almost all of Linux users are using Google. Many CS-related people are using Google as well, but there is a large number of those who mainly use Baidu.

I am a 100% Linux user (there's no Windows in my hard drive). I use Google at most time. In some special cases I use Baidu, e.g., I want to get the results in Chinese while I search in English.

My parents use Baidu. Many of my non-CS friends use Baidu. I am not willing to persuade them to use Google instead, like I seldom persuade someone to use Linux, because they are used to what they are using.

I think adding Baidu into the list is a good idea. Not making Baidu the default is also a good idea, because if the users encounter Linux problems, Google will help them much well than Baidu.

Thanks,
Chunhao

On Tue, 2010-07-20 at 11:44 +0000, Launchpad Bug Tracker wrote:
> You have been subscribed to a public bug:
>
> Binary package hint: ubufox
>
> Baidu is the leading search engine in China
> (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63R5YM20100429) and growing
> given Google's departure from China. It will return results that are
> more targeted and relevant to users based in China.
>
> I'm attaching a search plugin xml file for Baidu, generated using some
> information from OEM Service's communications with Baidu and looking
> at the suggestion info used in https://addons.mozilla.org/en-
> US/firefox/addon/9184/
>
> The suggestion bit works, but not quick enough to suggest as you type...
> If you type something in (>= 4 chars) and later backspace, you'll see
> the cached suggestion results that FF received. Not sure if I did
> something wrong or if it's just slow.
>
> Baidu told OEM Services that their name is natively spelled 百度一下 so I
> used that. Baidu's site is not translated into English, so I don't
> see a compelling reason for the name to be the Englishy "Baidu"
> instead of what a native speaker would presumably prefer.
>
> This also uses Ubuntu's Baidu ID for searches (the cl=3&tn=ubuntuu_cb
> bit).
>
> Just drop the attached plugin into the searchplugins folder in ubufox.
>
> ** Affects: language-pack-zh-hans (Ubuntu)
> Importance: High
> Assignee: Chris...

@yibo mentioned the meaning of "ubuntu": it actually means "humanity towards
others" in English, or simply "仁" in Chinese. "Others" here does not exclude
people/companies you don't like.

Anyway, Ubuntu is not just released for CS guys to use. Ordinary PC users
tend to use Baidu a lot (though Linux users here usually use Google).

Adding Baidu is obvious helpful for expanding the influence of Ubuntu on
desktop area considering the wide use of Baidu in China. But making it the
default one is not acceptable, Baidu is evil, we all know it.

在 2010-7-22 下午4:56，"yibo" <email address hidden>写道：
> @Chunhao Wang
> and dear esteemed ubuntu developers:
>
> Does the word "ubuntu" mean differently to you, esteemed ubuntu
> developers, compared to your humble users?
>
> Haven't you read the news about fake medicines baidu helped promote and
shared lucrative profits from ?
> http://www.cnbeta.com/articles/117080.htm
> http://www.taoguba.com.cn/Article/331146/1
> Haven't you known that it is not the first time they did something evil
and this time would never be their last time?
> Don't you think promote fake medicines and medical advices already cross
the border of sins but rather fell into vicious felonies?
>
> Haven't you realized that it is not only your righteous right but also
> your sacred obligation to shut doors' to baidu, a notorious hooligan and
> heartless bitch?
>
> Haven't you realized how easily you can achieve "ubuntu" by just ignoring
their plea?
> Haven't you realized that you could and you really can save lives by just
fXXking baidu away?
>
> Does more users mean more to you than your current users' lives, health
> and safety?
>
> Do you really want your beloved parents, your beloved non-CS friends to
> become the next horrible victims of baidu's fraud commercials?
>
> Do you really think that baidu held no responsibility in all these
wrongful deeds?
> Do you really think that in any ways your help for baidu could truly help
ubuntu users?
>
> I personally do not "hate", as you wrongfully described, baidu as a
> company, I "hate" baidu as a hooligan, a murder, a liar, a cheater, a
> money eating zombie, among other things.
>
> I know nothing about what others might think. but as for me, if you
> insist put something evil into ubuntu pack, weed-dealers' addresses are
> better in my humble opinion.
>
> regards,
>
> --
> Add search plugin for Baidu
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578281
> You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
> Simplified Chinese Translators, which is subscribed to language-pack-zh-
> hans in ubuntu.
>
> Status in “language-pack-zh-hans” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed
> Status in “language-pack-zh-hans” source package in Lucid: Fix Committed
> Status in “language-pack-zh-hans” source package in Maverick: Confirmed
>
> Bug description:
> Binary package hint: ubufox
>
> Baidu is the leading search engine in China (
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63R5YM20100429) and growing given
Google's departure from China. It will return results that are more targeted
and relevant to users based in China.
>
> I'm attaching a search plugin xml file for Baidu, generated using some
information from OE...

Agree with #42

Don't be fanaticism.

He that is without sin among you let him first cast a stone at her.(John 8:7)

NO Baidu!
Baidu don't care about the Open Source community at all, instead It steal code and ideas from our community as abundant "NO moral, Yes Money" Chinese companies do, shame on them! and We shouldn't implied our users become a man like that.
If you guys insist to change default search engine, I suggest Netease or Sogou to encourage their mirror site for Chinese Linux users!

@Meng Zhuo
What's the problems about 163 & Sohu mirrors?
Many guys have used them for a long time.

I don't use baidu and I think almost all Chinese ubuntu users don't use it.
I agree that baidu be added to search engine list but not the default one.
Or do something to the plugin to let users make a choice when first time use
it.

2010/7/22 Peter Chen <email address hidden>

> @Meng Zhuo
> What's the problems about 163 & Sohu mirrors?
> Many guys have used them for a long time.
>
> --
> Add search plugin for Baidu
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578281
> You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
> China Users, which is a direct subscriber.
>

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无聊~~香蕉

@Timothy Qiu

So you think more users is more important, then why not add drug dealer addresses to ubuntu? That may attract more users.

"humanity towards others" is another phase for killing others?

@yibo

Baidu sold drugs to you?

On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 02:35 +0000, yibo wrote:
> @Timothy Qiu
>
> So you think more users is more important, then why not add drug dealer
> addresses to ubuntu? That may attract more users.
>
> "humanity towards others" is another phase for killing others?
>

It seems that adding a new search engine does not hurt.

But obviously, it should be be set as default.

oops, correction: I should have said that "baidu shoud *not* be set as default".

Indeed, Baidu sold drugs via its advertising services.

On 23 July 2010 14:04, Chunhao Wang <email address hidden> wrote:

> @yibo
>
> Baidu sold drugs to you?
>
> On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 02:35 +0000, yibo wrote:
> > @Timothy Qiu
> >
> > So you think more users is more important, then why not add drug dealer
> > addresses to ubuntu? That may attract more users.
> >
> > "humanity towards others" is another phase for killing others?
> >
>
> --
> Add search plugin for Baidu
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578281
> You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
> Simplified Chinese Translators, which is subscribed to language-pack-zh-
> hans in ubuntu.
>

@luojie-dune
Can you give me some example of "Baidu sold drugs via its advertising
services"?

--
Best Regards!
Fe Cen

On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 5:14 PM, luojie-dune <email address hidden>wrote:

> Indeed, Baidu sold drugs via its advertising services.
>
> On 23 July 2010 14:04, Chunhao Wang <email address hidden> wrote:
>
> > @yibo
> >
> > Baidu sold drugs to you?
> >
> > On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 02:35 +0000, yibo wrote:
> > > @Timothy Qiu
> > >
> > > So you think more users is more important, then why not add drug dealer
> > > addresses to ubuntu? That may attract more users.
> > >
> > > "humanity towards others" is another phase for killing others?
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Add search plugin for Baidu
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578281
> > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
> > Simplified Chinese Translators, which is subscribed to language-pack-zh-
> > hans in ubuntu.
> >
>
> --
> Add search plugin for Baidu
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578281
> You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
> China Users, which is a direct subscriber.
>
> Status in “language-pack-zh-hans” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed
> Status in “language-pack-zh-hans” source package in Lucid: Fix Committed
> Status in “language-pack-zh-hans” source package in Maverick: Confirmed
>
> Bug description:
> Binary package hint: ubufox
>
> Baidu is the leading search engine in China (
> http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63R5YM20100429) and growing given
> Google's departure from China. It will return results that are more
> targeted and relevant to users based in China.
>
> I'm attaching a search plugin xml file for Baidu, generated using some
> information from OEM Service's communications with Baidu and looking at the
> suggestion info used in
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/9184/
>
> The suggestion bit works, but not quick enough to suggest as you type...
> If you type something in (>= 4 chars) and later backspace, you'll see the
> cached suggestion results that FF received. Not sure if I did something
> wrong or if it's just slow.
>
> Baidu told OEM Services that their name is natively spelled 百度一下 so I used
> that. Baidu's site is not translated into English, so I don't see a
> compelling reason for the name to be the Englishy "Baidu" instead of what a
> native speaker would presumably prefer.
>
> This also uses Ubuntu's Baidu ID for searches (the cl=3&tn=ubuntuu_cb bit).
>
> Just drop the attached plugin into the searchplugins folder in ubufox.
>
>
>

Use google to search "baidu 假药"; would you use baidu to search these terms?

On 23 July 2010 19:56, FeCen <email address hidden> wrote:

> @luojie-dune
> Can you give me some example of "Baidu sold drugs via its advertising
> services"?
>
> --
> Best Regards!
> Fe Cen
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 5:14 PM, luojie-dune <<email address hidden>
> >wrote:
>
> > Indeed, Baidu sold drugs via its advertising services.
> >
> > On 23 July 2010 14:04, Chunhao Wang <email address hidden> wrote:
> >
> > > @yibo
> > >
> > > Baidu sold drugs to you?
> > >
> > > On Fri, 2010-07-23 at 02:35 +0000, yibo wrote:
> > > > @Timothy Qiu
> > > >
> > > > So you think more users is more important, then why not add drug
> dealer
> > > > addresses to ubuntu? That may attract more users.
> > > >
> > > > "humanity towards others" is another phase for killing others?
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Add search plugin for Baidu
> > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578281
> > > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
> > > Simplified Chinese Translators, which is subscribed to
> language-pack-zh-
> > > hans in ubuntu.
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Add search plugin for Baidu
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578281
> > You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
> > China Users, which is a direct subscriber.
> >
> > Status in “language-pack-zh-hans” package in Ubuntu: Confirmed
> > Status in “language-pack-zh-hans” source package in Lucid: Fix Committed
> > Status in “language-pack-zh-hans” source package in Maverick: Confirmed
> >
> > Bug description:
> > Binary package hint: ubufox
> >
> > Baidu is the leading search engine in China (
> > http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63R5YM20100429) and growing given
> > Google's departure from China. It will return results that are more
> > targeted and relevant to users based in China.
> >
> > I'm attaching a search plugin xml file for Baidu, generated using some
> > information from OEM Service's communications with Baidu and looking at
> the
> > suggestion info used in
> > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/9184/
> >
> > The suggestion bit works, but not quick enough to suggest as you type...
> > If you type something in (>= 4 chars) and later backspace, you'll see
> the
> > cached suggestion results that FF received. Not sure if I did something
> > wrong or if it's just slow.
> >
> > Baidu told OEM Services that their name is natively spelled 百度一下 so I
> used
> > that. Baidu's site is not translated into English, so I don't see a
> > compelling reason for the name to be the Englishy "Baidu" instead of what
> a
> > native speaker would presumably prefer.
> >
> > This also uses Ubuntu's Baidu ID for searches (the cl=3&tn=ubuntuu_cb
> bit).
> >
> > Just drop the attached plugin into the searchplugins folder in ubufox.
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Add search plugin for Baidu
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578281
> You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
> Simplified Chinese Translators, which is subscribed to language-pack-zh-
> hans in ubuntu.
>

Personally, I do not want Ubuntu change the default search plugin for Baidu.
Ubuntu for each country should be same. Still, Baidu is relatied to the censer of China's Internet, so it is against to the Freedom Spirit.

@yibo

Attracting more users is one benifit of adding Baidu, NOT a criterion
used when picking search plugins.

IMHO, although Baidu is evil, it is useful when searching Chinese
content, and sometime even produces better result than Google does.
So, I prefer adding Baidu to the list while making Google the default
one.

By the way, the topic is actually "Adding search plugin for Baidu",
not "Adding Baidu as the DEFAULT search plugin".

2010/7/23 yibo <email address hidden>:
> @Timothy Qiu
>
> So you think more users is more important, then why not add drug dealer
> addresses to ubuntu? That may attract more users.
>
> "humanity towards others" is another phase for killing others?
>
> --
> Add search plugin for Baidu
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/578281
> You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu
> Simplified Chinese Translators, which is subscribed to language-pack-zh-
> hans in ubuntu.

@Timothy Qiu
I found it hard to settle down on ubuntu or gentoo some days before. But you really helped.
Other linuxs never base their distros on moral standards as ubuntu does.
"Humanity to others" seems like another market hype or scheme that ordinary Chinese people suffer everyday.
Congratulations for every effort you drove me away. And attracted more to suffer.

Okay, I am feeling very absurd to see Baidu there. In fact the corp. has very bad fame in China.

Those who use Baidu will never use linux because linux is not supporting cyber-games. Those who does not play games never use Baidu because Baidu gave noob search results when concerning serious problems.

If you insist on that, you are losing users. People will assume you are either noobs or Baidu users, both been laughed.

Fix is in langpack-o-matic and will be included in the next full language-pack in Maverick. Hence, setting to Fix Committed.

I don't want Baidu.
So don't add search plugin for Baidu.
So many Ubuntu users don't use Baidu.
Baidu is a rubbish.
Google is good.

I'm an old Ubuntu user from Hardy, and I promise: if Ubuntu set baidu to the default search engine, I will delete Ubuntu from my hard disk immediately!!

AFAIK, Baido won't be the default search engine, but be available as an option to choose from.

I see that my attachment has been deleted. zhangning, please don't delete files to make a point.

One difference between my plugin and the one that was committed is that suggestion support was not included. But I'm not broken up about it because it was a little spotty anyway.

Another delta is that the <SearchForm> field doesn't use the same "tn", etc parameters that the <Url> field uses. It's not a big deal, but means that Ubuntu doesn't get credited for such referrals (happens when you just press Enter in the search field).