Some (old enough) translations in ddtp-ubuntu not visible in Ubuntu

Thanks for your bugreport.

I just checked against http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/multiverse/i18n/Translation-fi and the ubuntu-restricted-extras summary is in the Translations file. It seems like the problem is that the package description text changed relatively shortly before the release and that was not catched by a updated upload :( Sorry for that.

Rhythmbox shows correctly for me with finish locales (apt-cache show and synaptic). Not sure what the problem might be.

thoggen and ffmpeg are a error on my side :/

We should do a ddtp update to intrepid-proposed with a new update. Only people with intrepid-proposed (and later intrepid-updates) would see it, but there is little we can do about this. I fixed the debian import again (that was broken because of changes on the ddtp server) so we should get a bunch of new translations from debian as well.

I will prepare a upload with that.

Thanks for checking.

Rhythmbox is interesting. I see two rhythmbox with apt-cache show, one with translation (0.11.6svn20081008-0ubuntu4) and one without (0.11.6svn20081008-0ubuntu4.2). Gnome-app-install and Synaptic show only the latter, ie. in English. If I disable intrepid-updates I can see the Finnish description (or actually, I can see it in case of rhythmbox-dbg which is not yet installed, rhythmbox itself is already the updated version and the description reflects the installed newer version, ie. is untranslated).

Anyway, thanks for fixing / finding the problem with thoggen/ffmpeg and also for fixing the Debian import!

Should be fixed for jaunty now with the latest upload.

Accepted into intrepid-proposed, please test and give feedback here. Please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation how to enable and use -proposed. Thank you in advance!

Feedback from intrepid-proposed:
- The first three mentioned strings are not translated still (or any in other *ubuntu restricted extras). Checked with apt-cache show and gnome-app-install.
- Rhythmbox is now translated
- Gstreamer-ffmpeg is now translated
- Thoggen has short description translated, but the long description is not, even though it is also definitely unchanged and translated.

I'm not sure if the lack of restricted extras translations are still because DDTP-Ubuntu would be out of date regarding the real descriptions or some other reason.

The lack of Thoggen's long description would indicate the problem related to lack of it (and probably
others) was not completely fixed.

One more relevant example would be oggconvert, and the problem with it might reflect the problem with thoggen. If you look at eg. http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/jaunty/universe/i18n/Translation-fi, you can see that the long untranslated part lacks line changes. However, the original description has line changes, the Debian translation (ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/i18n/Translation-fi) has line changes, and it's correct in Launchpad too (https://translations.launchpad.net/ddtp-ubuntu/ubuntu/+pots/ddtp-ubuntu-universe/fi/32530/+translate). So it's all translated (and the description is identical in Debian and Ubuntu), but somehow the translation does not end up in the Ubuntu's i18n files.

Anyway, the intrepid-proposed updates are an important improvement, and many new translations from Debian are available. Michael may want to look into this further though, and mention if this should be now enough for intrepid or not.

Thanks a lot for your followup!

I think I'm making some progress again. I uploaded a new jaunty update and with that:
 - ubuntu-restricted-extras is better translated (not fully, the last two chunks are not done).
 - thoggen is fine now
 - oggconvert is fine too

This is currently jaunty, but if no regressions come up there I will push a new update to -proposed soon. I fixed various bugs in the translation file handling and I hope its (finally) not loosing translations on the way anymore (I'm also making some good progress with merging our translations back to debian).

Thanks,
 Michael

I subscribed ubuntu-archive to get the update copied from "intrepid-proposed" to "intrepid-updates". I was told a normal "cp -a" will work, package-copy seems to be not able to deal with custom uploads like this one.

I cannot spot any regressions, and indeed many (all?) things are now fixed in the jaunty translations. The restricted extras untranslated chunks were not translated in ddtp-ubuntu Finnish translations, but available so it does not indicate a problem anywhere.

All in all, thanks! Gnome-app-install among else is becoming more accessible to all non-English users because of this work and the continuation of DDTP efforts.

I can confirm that the finnish translations are improved by this change, but only partially. In testing against archive.ubuntu.com, the rhythmbox package had already had an update which had caught the updated translation; the initial release version does get fixed by this.

The thoggen package has just a tiny bit of its description translated with its update and also loses the formatting of the english text. The before text looks like:

Description: DVD backup utility based on GStreamer and Gtk+
 Thoggen is designed to be easy and straight-forward to use. It attempts
 to hide the complexity many other transcoding tools expose and tries to
 offer sensible defaults that work okay for most people most of the time.
 Features:
  * Easy to use, with a nice graphical user interface (GUI)
  * Supports title preview, picture cropping, and picture resizing.
  * Language Selection for audio track (no subtitle support yet though)
  * Encodes into Ogg/Theora video
  * Can encode from local directory with video DVD files
  * Based on the GStreamer multimedia framework, which makes it fairly
    easy to add additional encoding formats/codecs in future.
 .
 http://thoggen.net

and the after text looks like:

Description-fi: DVD-varmuuskopiointiohjelma, joka perustuu GStreameriin ja Gtk+:aan
 Thoggen is designed to be easy and straight-forward to use. It attempts to hide the complexity many other transcoding tools expose and tries to offer sensible defaults that work okay for most people most of the time. Features: * Easy to use, with a nice graphical user interface (GUI) * Supports title preview, picture cropping, and picture resizing. * Language Selection for audio track (no subtitle support yet though) * Encodes into Ogg/Theora video * Can encode from local directory with video DVD files * Based on the GStreamer multimedia framework, which makes it fairly easy to add additional encoding formats/codecs in future.
 .
 Kotisivu: http://thoggen.net

The gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg translation looks good from the perspective of someone who can't read Finnish at all.

ubuntu-restricted-extras appears to be entirely untranslated (yes, I've got -proposed enabled for multiverse).

oggconvert appears only partially translated and also has a similar format change as thoggen.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but intrepid (not even proposed) was not yet updated? My comment was about jaunty which was already updated.

Intrepid-proposed was updated earlier during Michael's first comment on 2008-11-13, but they didn't contain all the fixes that are now in jaunty.

But yes, that's the status currently with intrepid. I understood from the comments that Michael is first perhaps putting the current intrepid-proposed (with some improvements) to intrepid-updates and then new translations (as good as in jaunty now) to intreprid-proposed, or something like that?

I'm afraid I don't have enough context here to know which bits need a "cp -a", could you expand on that please?

Steve, let me quote from Celso's answer:

I don't think we have done that before, but as I and Colin said on
#soyuz, custom uploads we can only be copied using `cp`, it's a pure
disk operation.

Just be sure `cron.publisher-ftpmaster` is not running (stop it if
necessary, otherwise your changes to /dists will be overwritten), and
the copy the dists/intrepid-proposed/<path to ddtp> to
dists/intrepid-updates/<path to ddtp>.

There might be necessary to create <path to ddtp> in the destination dists.

Copied to intrepid-updates, at least I *think* I got it right. Verifying appreciated.

I documented the procedure on

  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveAdministration#Special case: DDTP updates

There was a delay, but now it works - intrepid-updates has what intrepid-proposed used to have since 2008-11-14.

However, mvo mentioned that "This is currently jaunty, but if no regressions come up there I will push a new update to -proposed soon.". So, since jaunty seems to work fluently, feel free to put new DDTP into intrepid-proposed now again. (or state that no more updates to intrepid will be done)

I modify the test case to say apt-cache show oggconvert which tests the new fixes quite well.

I think Michael pushed the fixed i18n data also to intrepid-proposed on 2008-12-15: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/intrepid-changes/2008-December/thread.html. They look fine mostly to me, ie. when using intrepid-proposed repository, so they should be again copied to intrepid-updates now. About everything that is translated with jaunty repositories is now also translated with intrepid-proposed.

The only exception to "looks fine" is ubuntu-restricted-extras, which is still fully non-translated in intrepid, including the short description. But it's good in jaunty, so hopefully not indicative of any bigger problem. Anyway, the strings have not changed now in intrepid -> jaunty, so there should be no reason for the omission of those in the version that intrepid-proposed has.

Intrepid Ibex reached end-of-life on 30 April 2010 so I am closing the report. The bug has been fixed in newer releases of Ubuntu.