Right-click inconveniences

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Thank you too, but I'm totally surprised with your comment.
What I have written has absolutely nothing to do with translations.
Are you sure this problem belongs to meta-gnome2?

I'm terribly sorry, I seem to have been multi-tasking a bit too much yesterday and hit the wrong tab. :(

#ubuntu-bugs seems to think gtk+2.0

thank you for your bug report, that's an upstream design decision though and not an ubuntu bug and not something ubuntu plans to change in a distribution specific way, you should raise the point on bugzilla.gnome.org if you really want to discuss changing the current behaviour though

On 2008-06-12 11:11, Sebastien Bacher wrote :
> thank you for your bug report, that's an upstream design decision though
> and not an ubuntu bug and not something ubuntu plans to change in a
> distribution specific way, you should raise the point on
> bugzilla.gnome.org if you really want to discuss changing the current
> behaviour though
>
> ** Changed in: gtk+2.0 (Ubuntu)
> Importance: Undecided => Low
> Assignee: (unassigned) => Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs)
> Status: New => Invalid
Thanks for your work to improve Open Software.
I thought that what has already been mentioned in the wrong place would
need to be said under a bug title of its own, so that it can focus
Ubuntu users' concern and opinion.
I'm willing to do all I can to help Linux improve through reports of my
usage of Ubuntu and any kind of finding, but I'm afraid that I cannot
subscribe to each and every software project in the world; I suppose
there are people involved in both Ubuntu and bugzilla.gnome.org that
could care about simply posting there a pointer to this topic.
I regret to see my report made invalid and text lost; isn't there a
suggestion status?
Else, I will have lost my time trying to contribute and It'll make me
think twice or more before writing again.

the bug has not been deleted, it's still available but closed. what you describe is not a bug but a design decision, one is not better than the other one they are just different, the current approch allow to quickly use the menu and select and item using one click for example, the firefox issues your describe are bugs in the software and not really due to GTK

changing the way menu works under GNOME would be not trivial, confuse users and is not something which should be done in an ubuntu specific way, you should really take this discussion upstream or on a mailing list rather than on the bug tracker, nobody will come here to contribute to the discussion, the bug tracker is to describe bugs and work on those not to discuss designs

the bug could be sent upstream but if would require somebody wanting to argue in favor of the change, I'm not convinced about the idea and I've already too much to do so I'm not going to start this discussion, maybe somebody else is wanting to do that though

Sebastien, I agree that it's a feature, but that doesn't mean it's a
sacred thing :
1) myself and those who mentioned it discovered that feature by chance
2) hence, probably very little people use it, this would need a poll
3) it's not a very good idea to use a drag to make two clicks
4) in fact, they discovered the feature because of some annoyance
5) and their opinion was that they had found a bug
6) and indeed, it's at least a real bug catalyst
7) in addition of what I would call a counter-accessibility feature

Hence, I think that the bug tracker is a good place for people to find a
discussion of what they think is a bug and to wait for someone having
time and concern to put a pointer to where else it will be discussed.
I agree a bug must be closed (so far), but not the discussion that was
going on in other bugs and that should be taken out of there to here.

Hence, I'm asking that the status be changed to "suggestion".
TIA.

the bug tracker describes bugs, it's not a place where to make suggestions, you should really mail a list to start a discussion on the topic

On 2008-06-15 11:24, Sebastien Bacher wrote :
> the bug tracker describes bugs, it's not a place where to make
> suggestions,
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?&field.importance:Alist=WISHLIST
> you should really mail a list to start a discussion on the
> topic
No time and I am subscribed to dozens of places already.
Why do they not use a common authentication server?
Thanks.

do you need to be that insistant? yes you can open wishlists but as said before that's not something the ubuntu team will work on and that should be taken to a mailing list or to GNOME, anyway enough of this discussion for me now

Since Ubuntu 8.10, the problem described above occurs even without any
slipping of the mouse. Right-clicking on the Gnome desktop intrepidly
creates a folder if you keep the button down for some short time. Or it
may well open a Background Change dialog, depending on where you click.
Or it may start a Properties dialog when you're in a folder. Or what
next? ...

It is a bug. Right-click isn't supposed to punish the unskilful one by
causing random, and potentially nasty surprises (if menus are not
designed with this bug in mind).
Enough frustration is expressed for similar Bug #187313 already.

From the user point of view, this is a bug, and I would call it "Unexpected consequences of right-click", instead of "Right-click inconveniences".
This bug appears in many situations: Firefox (Bug #187313, Bug #34582), Thunderbird (Bug #107819), Nautilus (last André's comment), etc, preventing people to switch to Linux.
From the programmer point of view, there are maybe several causes/solutions to find (like for any other bug).
I think that as long as all the causes/solutions are not found, we should fix this bug using the "right-click occurs on ButtonRelease" as a patch at first.
And maybe as a design change later if the bug solution cannot be found ?

In fact, Ubuntu or whoever have now implemented the "long click" that
Windows used for quite a time to, for example, rename a file. But Ubuntu
does it only on the right button and to produce very strange, useless
and annoying effects.

the behaviour is an upstream decision not a bug, you should discuss it upstream and not there

> the behaviour is an upstream decision not a bug, you should discuss it
> upstream and not there
>
So, Ubuntu describes such a remark as invalid, and says that I should
not discuss it there.
I would like to know where you read that someone took the "decision"
that a right click on the desktop and other places must produce a random
result.
Who is that and where is it I'm sent off to say I and several users
don't have the same opinion as Ubuntu?

> So, Ubuntu describes such a remark as invalid, and says that I should not discuss it there.

not exactly, you have been told that the software is not written there and that ubuntu which is the distributor is not the right contact to get that changed, you should write to the people writting the software

> I would like to know where you read that someone took the "decision" that a right click on the desktop and other places must produce a random result.

That's not what this bug is about, the bug is about when the click event should be happening and that's on button press in a consitant and not random way right now

> Who is that and where is it I'm sent off to say I and several users don't have the same opinion as Ubuntu?

What do you mean there? You are just arguing at the wrong place, the distributor is not the one who will change the software, you should speak to people writting the code, doesn't it seem logical to you?